If you have an immediate need for certain language, relying on exposure can be like expecting the needle to appear in the haystack, and taking shortcuts with textbooks, workbooks, or even classes can be quite productive.
I guess it depends on your goal. My goal is total ownership of the language. I intend to be pretty much as good at Japanese than a Japanese person. I'm kind of arguing that you need to eat the haystack. The whole thing. Of course, not every crazy specialist piece of vocabulary. But certainly an adult would/should know + specialist areas that interest me. I just don't think there are any short cuts with language mastery. There certainly are quick ways of learning targeted stuff. If I was going to Japan for a business trip and wanted to know how to ask where the toilet is, I wouldn't start watching Japanese TV in the hopes that it would turn up. ;-0 But I am talking here about exposure to the tune of thousands of hours over the course of a year, for foundational, natural comprehension.
Javizy wrote:As for classes, I don't think it's so easy to generalise. I have differing opinions on them, and personally I don't think I have any use for the ones available to me at least. If they are all complete trash, though, then try telling that to all the Germans and Swedes that are better at English than we'll likely ever be at Japanese...
Are Swedes and Germans good at English because they take lessons? I remember visiting Holland, where people have great English, and watching TV. A lot of American/English stuff on. Then there is the music...
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And when did failure in Japanese become so acceptable?
I just spent four hours having dinner with some new Japanese friends, chatting away, and it was just so easy and natural. The conversation spanned politics, society, education, philosophy, food, travel, etc. I couldn't have done that five months ago (even after seven years of Japanese). Give me another year and my Japanese will kick the pants out of the English speaking Germans and Swedes. I'm not saying this to brag. I don't think my Japanese is very good compared to my goal of total mastery. But I can now see that such a goal is not unrealistic if you are prepared to pay the piper and go full immersion.
Javizy wrote:By the way, the drama thing was just a joke because they tend to suck badly.
OK, but I just can't agree that Japanese drama's are comparatively worse than the dramas of another country. If I had my TV hooked up to local broadcast instead of my computer, and tried to watch a random show, chances are high that I would hate it. Same with Japanese I suggest.
Here's just one recommendation. Watch Nodame Candabille if you haven't already. Just try telling me you don't want to squirrel Ueno Juri away and marry her?