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TrojanBird
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Question about Particles

Postby TrojanBird » November 2nd, 2014 7:04 am

I was reading something from NHK and came across this excerpt.

"ごぜん9時に東京都の職員が公園の入り口を開ける、近くに住でいる人やランニングに来た人たちが公園の中に入っていきました。犬の散歩に来た71歳の男性は「こんなに広くて緑多い公園はあまりないので、やっと開いてうれしいです。これからの季節は紅葉を楽しみたいです」と話していました。"

Everything seems fine except for と in 入り口を開けると and も in 広くて緑も多い公園.

What is と doing there? And why is it も instead of が?

Also, the word "ランニング" really messes with me :P

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Re: Question about Particles

Postby community.japanese » November 2nd, 2014 8:23 am

TrojanBird さん、
こんにちは。 :D
Have you learnt dictionary form + と yet?
For example, この道をまっすぐ行くと公園があります。If you go down this street sprightly, you can find a park. The grammar point also indicates ‘when’.
Therefore, 入り口を開けると means ‘when a staff opens the gate’.

広くて緑も多い, the も can be replaced with が.
However, the elderly man wanted to put the nuance, two positive things which are species and also has green.

ランニング is jogging.

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TrojanBird
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Re: Question about Particles

Postby TrojanBird » November 2nd, 2014 5:12 pm

ありがとうございます。

I can't seem to find any resources online that talks about dictionary + と :|

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Re: Question about Particles

Postby mmmason8967 » November 2nd, 2014 6:12 pm

TrojanBird wrote:I can't seem to find any resources online that talks about dictionary + と :|

It's often filed under "conditional"; that's where you'll find it on, for example, Tae Kim's website. It's one of those areas where Japanese and English have slightly different ideas; depending on context, と can be equivalent to either "if" or "when". It's used when one event is the consequence of another event. In English we use "if" for something that hasn't happened yet and "when" for something that happened in the past. In japanese it's と for both situations.

In the sentence you quoted ends with 「公園の中に入っていきました。」, which is past form and describes something that has already happened. The earlier 「入り口を開けると」 can't sensibly mean "if they open the gate" and so it must mean "when they opened the gate".

Hope that helps.

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Re: Question about Particles

Postby community.japanese » November 9th, 2014 6:41 am

マイケルさん、
そうですね。
Conditional ですね。

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