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September 11th, 2007 | help Need help?

Learn Japanese at JapanesePod101.com! After work, Koshiba and Masa hit up a Maid Café in Akiba. 2 beautiful maids serve them a couple of frosty beers and, well, they’re in heaven! Again, we’re focusing on male speech patterns. Due the massive amount of interest in the phenomenon of Maid Cafés and Maid Bars, and young male and young female speech, this series will run for 5 episodes! After listening, stop by JapanesePod101.com and be sure to leave us a post!

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avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

Mina-san, maid cafés originally started in Akihabara, the epicenter of otaku culture. But now they’ve been popping up everywhere, even in residential neighborhoods and in the countryside.

For those who are more visual, here are a few links to illustrate things that make ヲタク say 萌え (もえ・moe).

more 萌え than you can shake a stick at:
http://www.moetron.com/

this group, Perfume, plays up the 萌え chic for otaku:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmcJdGbLb-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEDxBo-REc

this site is for ヲタク to download pictures, animations and games for their cell phones. ☆萌え~☆
http://moetengoku.com/

wikipedia’s entry on “moe” talks about the origin, but doesn’t really illustrate 萌え as well as those others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_%28slang%29

avatar the_gaped_crusader says:

Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about! More maids! :cool: I was wondering when we’d get part two!

Those girls in the video are pretty cute. :kokoro: All this moe stuff might not be so bad after all.
Can you say Chigusa Moe?

avatar markystar says:

i wanna know if the videos you guys were making for part one will cross over to part 2.
絶対に観たいです!

and mr. crusaderさん, yes, you can say it like that. stretch out the final え sound for added effect! :lol:

marky

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Is there a problem with the PDFs? I keep getting :evil: 404 errors while trying to download them. (I’ll be getting the audio on lunch)

avatar Eran says:

Chris-san -

Thanks for pointing this out :dogeza: They should be good to go now.

- Eran

avatar kitty-chan says:

They sound really happy to kick back and relax at the maid cafe. :lol: :lol: :lol:

So is MOE an adjective? I think I have a good idea about the meaning now, but I don’t know how to use it in a sentence. :neutral: :???: :lol: :hachimaki:

avatar デボン says:

ビール飲みたいな。 :lol:

avatar Jason says:

So is MOE an adjective? I think I have a good idea about the meaning now, but I don’t know how to use it in a sentence.

Well, given that it’s a VERY slangy word, it’s very difficult to pin a part of speech on it. EDICT classifies it as a noun, which probably makes the most sense. It’s kind of like 病気 in that it’s a noun that’s used very much like an adjective. You can attach it directly to the end another noun to mean “an infatuation for X.” It can also be used “adjectivally” as Y in an X is Y sentence. It’s never used directly before a noun like other adjectives. Here’s an example of the difference between the 2 usages:

-眼鏡っ子萌え (noun: infatuation with girls who wear glasses. This is one of my personal 萌えs, btw :mrgreen: )
-眼鏡っ子は萌え!!! (exclamation: “Girls with glasses are so MOE!!!”)

The は in the 2nd use tends to get dropped in casual speech, so the 2nd use can look identical to the 1st, but they are different. You can usually tell it’s the 2nd use if it’s used as an exclamation.

Here’s an example of the effects of 萌え.

梨花ちゃん萌え!!!
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Makes you want to do things like this:
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avatar Jason says:

Oh, and 眼鏡っ子 is read めがねっこ. You may also see it written as メガネっ子.

梨花 = りか

avatar Javizy says:

They covered moe in that documentary I mentioned last week. The otaku were saying it when getting hand massages and during the maid lap chat. I think they were saying it to their figurines as well, which I found a little disturbing, since many of the characters are modelled on like 12 year olds, like the one Jason posted.

Anyway, it was from a series called Japanorama that aired on the BBC. You should be able to find it on a torrent website, since people outside the UK don’t have BBC channels. The otaku episode covers some very strange stuff involving a costume shop that sells schoolgirl uniforms in sizes for grown men, and guys who collect life-size latex dolls.

avatar Laura says:

“もえ” sounds a bit like “schwing!”

やっぱり Peter-san! The speaker implies, and the listener infers.

avatar Jason says:

Just be aware that Japanorama, while based on fact, is not exactly the most serious of documentary series. And they tend to focus on the more extreme and strange sides of what they cover. Not all of us who collect figures talk to them. :razz:

which I found a little disturbing, since many of the characters are modelled on like 12 year olds, like the one Jason posted.

梨花ちゃん *is* 10, btw. Though this brings up something I think’s important when talking about 萌え. There’s debate over whether the infatuation of 萌え is sexual in nature. From my own experience with 萌え, I have to say no, not necessarily. Sexual attraction may be mixed in but they are 2 separate things. 梨花ちゃん is an excellent example. I am very 萌え for 梨花ちゃん. But not being a pedophile, that adoration is not sexual. If she was about 10 years older, things may be different, but I think that just goes to further show the separation of 萌え from sexual attraction. In a similar vein, I’m 萌え for bunnies, puppies, and kittens but I don’t want to get it on with one.

The argument that 萌え is inherently sexual further falls apart when you consider that many people are 萌え for non-human things like trains and computers. Again, I think teddy bears are really cute, but that doesn’t mean I want to get it on with one.

avatar markystar says:

lol :lol:

i think that 萌えis usually a non-sexual term. i mean, it doesn’t have a lot of psycho baggage attached to it. its nuance is more like “i love it, but it’s untouchable.” obviously manga or anime characters are fake, so they can be 萌え (you can never physically have them or be friends with them or whatever).

you can say 萌え for your favorite band if they are the opposite sex and you have no chance or really being their best friend.
and as jason pointed out, you can be 萌え for trains and things. i’ve heard girls in omotesando say 萌え about Louis Vuitton bags!!
i said 萌え when i saw botticelli’s primavera in real life for the first time.

that said,
i’d like to introduce another term we wanted to introduce into this series but didn’t get a chance to:

キターー(゜∀゜)ーーッ!!

this is 来た (he/she/it came/showed up) with a long mark that turns into an excited smiley face and then continues.
you can say this when you’re watching your favorite movie again and the best scene happens, or the best character shows up. キターー(゜∀゜)ーーッ!!

actually, next time you hear sakuraさん in a lesson, we should all say キターー(゜∀゜)ーーッ!! :kokoro:

marky

avatar Jason says:

That reminds me, people should watch the 電車男 tv series. Besides just being awesome, it can give you more insight into the concepts of 萌え and キターー(゜∀゜)ーーッ!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densha_otoko

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Jason-san-
based on your description, this concept seems to describe the students feelings towards their teacher in Mahou Sensei Negima! (MAGISTER NEGI MAGI)

avatar bakaneko says:

How did you guys included hyperlinks, quoted text block, and images in the comment? Is there a secret API/tags that I do not know of? :sad:

avatar Sindy says:

JP101 crew/listeners! :wink:

Jason-san! :wink:

ーー(゜∀゜)ーー Those are very nice Anime pictures, I like them! :cool: :hachimaki:

From what anime are they :???: What’s the name of the anime series :???:

I was thinking that I would like to do what no other forgeiner girl has done in history, I’m going to enter on a maid cafe all by myself when I go to Tokyo Akihabara later on and lets see what happens :shock: :???: :cool:

Yes I’m going to ask for the same service and I would record everything has a proof that I’ll give JP101 later on so wish me luck everyone on that crazy someday. :mrgreen: :dogeza: S_R_C

avatar Jason says:

its nuance is more like “i love it, but it’s untouchable.”

I don’t agree with that. It doesn’t have a sense “but it’s untouchable.” Though that may be true a lot of times, it’s not inherent in the word itself. I think a more accurate definition would be “a passionate fascination or adoration of something or someone that is not necessarily sexual.” 萌え also has a tendency to be a bit of an obsessive feeling. I don’t think it would be unfair to say 萌え is what drives a lot of ヲタク to be ヲタク. Unfortunately, this sometimes comes at the cost of other important things in life. :/

based on your description, this concept seems to describe the students feelings towards their teacher in Mahou Sensei Negima! (MAGISTER NEGI MAGI)

Well, it’s similar, but I think that with the Negima girls Negi’s young age sparks a kind of maternal instinct in them that’s not quite the same as 萌え. With the exception of Ayaka who’s pretty much a raging shotacon for Negi.

avatar Jason says:

How did you guys included hyperlinks, quoted text block, and images in the comment? Is there a secret API/tags that I do not know of?

Hyperlinks and images are standard HTML tags. Quoting’s done with the blockquote tag.

From what anime are they :???: What’s the name of the anime series

ひぐらしのく頃に and its sequel ひぐらしのく頃に解. The official English title is “When They Cry.” It’s definitely not for the weak of heart or stomach.

avatar Sindy says:

Sakura-san! :wink:

Thank you for that explanation, that’s exactly what I think of Miki Moe. :cool: :wink:

I’m her fan because she is hot and she is like the sister I never had!! :sad: :cry:
Beside her friendship, she is a sample or model to follow for me!! Thanks everyone :hachimaki: :grin: S_R_C

PS: By major dream is to know her in person so please her audio blogs should stay in JP101 until the end. :dogeza:

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

Jasonさん
I changed my mind after listening to the lesson, and hearing the description. When I made my post earlier, I only had glanced at the PDF, and read comments here. Unfortunately, today, the lesson was not available before I left for work.

Bakanekoさん
That’s all done with simple HTML tags. See this link for examples. You are probably especially interested in the Link and Images examples.

avatar rigo says:

wow this is the second time i hear about this word
and today while watching a japanese drama …i heard
MOE ….and i was like ..oh my God !!!!
the funny thing is that it was not translated
arigatou

avatar the_gaped_crusader says:

I heard about otaku-hunting! You guys should do a story about that! :lol:

avatar markystar says:

rigoさん、that is funny they didn’t translate it! :lol:

and as for ヲタク狩り (otaku hunting), we actually DO have a lesson involving that!
it’s an Intermediate conversation coming out on friday :mrgreen:

marky

avatar Scott Curry says:

Jasonさん,

I just watched an episode of 電車男. I think I need ADD medicine so I can keep up with all the instant messaging on the show. Does he instant message people on the computer like that on every show? It was funny, he is really nervous all the time. I think I will have to watch more of it to see what happens!

Can you recommend any shows that have a “darker” feel to them? Maybe comparable to 24 or The Sopranos? Does Japan have any adult-oriented cartoons similar to Family Guy or South Park? I would like to see what the Japanese consider foul humor. :mrgreen:

スコット

avatar Jason says:

Can you recommend any shows that have a “darker” feel to them?

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (”When they Cry”; 1st season), Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai (2nd season), Paranoia Agent, and Darker than Black are very good. Though Paranoia Agent’s the only one that’s been completely released outside of Japan so far. HIgurashi 1 has 3 DVDs out in America so far (maybe other countries, too. I don’t know).

avatar Scott Curry says:

Jasonさん,

どうもありがとうございました!

妄想代理人はとても大好き!あのアニメはおもしろいですけど時々難しいわかりますね。

I will be sure to check out the other shows tomorrow. Thanks again!

スカット

:shock: I just realized I spelled my name wrong in katakana on my last post! 馬鹿らしいだね!

avatar Jason says:

Does Japan have any adult-oriented cartoons similar to Family Guy or South Park? I would like to see what the Japanese consider foul humor.

I don’t think it’s that common really. At least not in the same vein as Family Guy or something like that. Though a few do come to mind. One is Crayon Shin-chan. I’ve only seen a little bit of the English version of it. Some of the later episodes of Excel Saga got pretty racy (especially the extra, I think, 25th episode). Then there’s Puni Puni Poemi from the same people who did Excel Saga, but I absolutely hated it. That’s an hour of my life wasted I’ll unfortunately never get back. Then there are some that are just completely off the wall, like Pani Poni Dash. Which, unlike Puni Puni Poemi, is very good.

avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

おるちゅばんエビちゅ is one of my faves. but it’s definitely on the racy side, so not for kiddies or the prude.
it’s about a housekeeping hamster and her oversexed owner. much zaniness ensues.
it’s all over youtube. :cool:

http://www.futabasha.com/ebichu/hihokan.html#

marky

avatar applejuicin2007 says:

Hi my first time postin. Cool lesson thanks a lot lookin forward to more maids. Hahahaha.

avatar Scott Curry says:

WOW! Oruchuban Ebichu is exactly what I was looking for! I can’t wait to watch all of them, thanks Markyさん!

Jasonさん, Pani Poni Dash was pretty funny! I’m gonna try and get caught up on it this week. You were right, Puni Puni Poemi wasn’t to enjoyable. The bad guy looked like the Joker from Batman, but with no pants! I realize now that villains must be clothed for me to take them seriously :mrgreen:

スカット

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Scott-san -
Pani Poni Dash is wonderful comedy/parody. I love how Rebecca keeps hiding behind the curtains whenever scared. miyamotosensei wa kodomopoi.

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

For those not familiar with PaniPoniDash, Rebecca Miyamoto is 11 years old, a graduate of MIT (which she can’t pronounce the full name of) and teaches a high school class. Her students are the full spread of stereotypes. I would say moe describes Himeko’s feelings towards Becky. (Rebecca doesn’t seem to like that nickname, not that her students notice, though) The most troublesome person in her classroom is the teacher.

avatar Jason says:

miyamotosensei wa kodomopoi.

ま、ベッキーは結局11歳の子供なんだけど。

avatar Peter says:

“The World of Golden Eggs,” a Japanese cartoon series, has been called the South Park of Japan. The following link should give you a pretty good sample of what it is all about.
http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=257669

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_GOLDEN_EGGS

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Jason -
I meant that more in the sense that a teacher shouldn’t be acting like a child.

Contrast Becky with another child teacher from mangaland - Negi Springfield, who, although just 10 years old, tries to act as grown up as he can. Sure, he sometimes makes childish mistakes, but he usually tries to act more like an adult.
Becky just acts childish, and doesn’t make an attempt to act grown up.

avatar Jason says:

Here are some more info/videos of the anime that’s been mentioned so far. There’s also a new black comedy called Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei running now I forgot to mention. It’s awesome and has a really unique and attractive art style (it’s animated by the same studio that did Pani Poni Dash, Shaft).

Pani Poni Dash Official Site (w/2 trailers)*
Higurashi Opening (OP) Vid
Higurashi Kai OP Vid
Paranoia Agent Official Site
Darker than Black OP Vid
Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei*

*Probably NSFW (Not Safe For Work)

avatar Jason says:

I would say moe describes Himeko’s feelings towards Becky.

Yes, Himeko is definitely 萌え for Bekcy.

avatar Jason says:

And here are the official Japanese sites for Higurashi, Darker than Black, and Zetsubou-sensei.

Higurashi
Darker than Black
Zetsubou-sensei

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Here’s the official site for all of Akamatsu’s work

AI Love You,
Love Hina,
Mahou Sensei Negima!

avatar Scott Curry says:

すごい! I found さよなら 絶望先生 this morning by accident on YouTube. I was hooked the moment I saw it.  :grin:

Peter先生, どうもありがとうございました!あのアニメは素晴らしですよ。非常におかしいですけど。 :mrgreen:

みなさん,thanks for all of the recommendations! I will watch them all!

『スカット』 :cool:

avatar Jason says:

Back to what makes someone 萌え, personality is a big factor too, not just looks. Here’s an example I came across recently.

This is Akihime Sumomo from Nanatsuiro Drops. She’s a pretty typical 萌え-looking character. Very cute. The problem is that she’s an annoying, whinny little crybaby. So much that I stopped watching the show after only 3 episodes. So despite her appearance and unless annyoing whinny crybabies just happen to be your thing, she is very 不萌え (不萌[ふも]え being a word I just made up to mean “un-moe”).

I’m probably really showing my otakuness by now, but oh well. :razz:

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

Jasonxy
I think several of us are by now. Lately I’ve been watching 鹿島市, and in that series, you can definately tell that Hazumu was a boy, and in some ways is having a hard time adjusting. 

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

OOPS! I guess everyone can tell what input method I use for 日本語

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

I really need to start reading my posts before hitting submit. Two up, I meant to type かしまし. It converted when I wasn’t expecting it to.

avatar Jason says:

I watched some of Kashimashi a while back but dropped it about 1/2 way in. I spent most of the time going “what?” and “why am I watching this (besides for Tomari)?”

avatar maxiewawa says:

As in Maid Bar part 1, let’s make a video! Have a look here if you’re interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIXkgDw416U

I patiently await your responses.

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Max -
I’ll see if I have enough time on my weekend to make a video. I’ll try a few parts, if I can.

Jason -
What about Janpu-chan? I’d have to say that from mangaland, my favorite charecter was AI Love You’s 40chan, although her alter-gender/ego (40kun) just got on my nerves.

avatar Jason says:

What about Janpu-chan?

Ah, I forgot about Janpu-chan. She and Tomari are awesome. Everything else though made me go :???:

avatar Laura says:

Jason, you’re cute. The ふもえ personality thing was so not typical guy.

avatar Sindy says:

Mina-san! :wink:

I also a otaku and have Kashi-mashi anime DVD, it’s great, I like it very much!! :cool: :wink:

Finally in my last post it was for Natsuko-san/Peter-san not Sakura-san so my apologies. :oops: :mrgreen: S_R_C

avatar クリストファー・ハート says:

In my comments above, I did forget to mention my favorite energetic hacker

avatar クリストファー・ハート says:

Kaolla Su

http://www.ailove.net/su.gif

avatar alex says:

wat are u talking about :lol:

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