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October 4th, 2006 | help Need help?

Learn Japanese with JapanesePod101.com! Kaoru and Toshio, two old daigaku classmates, meet today for the first time in a while. Updates are exchanged and Kaoru has a new ikemen. Today’s conversation features lots of fun onomatopoeia, so don’t miss this one! Stop by JapanesePod101.com after listening to download the PDF, which features an extensive writeup on Japanese onomatopoeia and mimetic words, including giongo, giseigo, gitaigo, and gijougo! Be sure to leave us a post!

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31 Responses to “Beginner Lesson #131 - Ikemen”

avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

Mina-san,

Today’s location is お月様・おつきさま・otsukisama - hello to all of our listeners on the moon! :wink:

Yoroshiku onegai shimasu!

avatar Harv says:

Hello moon people :smile:

Very good lesson today, I learnt some new stuff that will come in handy.

By the way, boyfriend is spelt boyfrined in the translation part of the pdf.

ありがとうございます

avatar Joao Paulo says:

みんあさん、元気?

今日、ぼくはしつもんがあります。

In today’s dialogue, we have the word “yasashikute”. Well, I remember that the first reason for using “kute” in an adjective is to say other “i” adjectives in a row.

What I don’t remember is that if it can be added even though there are no other adjectives, just to make conversation informal.

I’ve seen this construction in other situations and there were no other adjectives to justify the use of “kute” and I think it was already covered in a previous lesson, but I don’t remember which one it was.

Something else I didn’t understand was the word “shiteta” in the sentence “mae no kare wa itsumo iraira shiteta kara ne”. I can understand it comes from the verb “suru”, right? But I don’t understand how it was conjugated.

And last is: in the sentence: “kare wa ikemen dakara motemote de”, I didn’t understand why particle “de” was added in the end of the sentence.

So, that’s it.

みんあさん、ごうも!

じゃあね :???:

avatar Stu says:

Ohiou Peter & freinds!

I haven’t gotten up to this lesson yet, but i am really enjoying it. You beat Pimsleur and all these rip off self-learning packs.

I would like to make a suggestion though. I read a good way to learn vocabulary, it involves asociating the Japanese word with the English work… eg., ‘hanzupon’ means ’shorts’. you can remember this by remembering ‘putting your hand upon your shorts’
You could use this technique in your lessons because it makes the learning instantaneous. i learned 40 Japanese adjectives in 10 mins (seriously).

Doing a GREAT job guys!!!

P.S., Sakura’s voice is very sexy

avatar Harv says:

Joao san

The use of kute with an i adjective which is on its own is to imply that there are other ways that you could describe the thing you are talking about.

Here’s an explanation of the teta verb ending from http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa121600b.htm
“~ teta” or “~ teita” is the past progressive. “~ teta” is more colloquial. It is used to describe past habitual action or past states of being. To make this form, attach “~ta” or “~ita” to “te form” of the verb.”

I think de at the end of the sentence refers to a ’cause of an effect’ so she is worried because he is popular. cause = popular, effect = worry.

I hope I helped im sure someone will have a more understandable explanation.

avatar Stu says:

Ohiou

I find Kanji extremely difficult to learn.

In japan, is everything written in both Kanji and Kana?
As a beginner, do i have to learn Kanji now or can i stick to Kana?

Thanks!

avatar Joao Paulo says:

Harv-san.

どうも有り難うございます!

You really really helped me out a lot. Thank you.

I was reading the explanation on the site you indicated me and I remembered “teta” now. I think I didn’t pay much attention to that on the dialogue :oops:

It is used when “verb + te + iru” to indicate progressive. The point is that “i” from “iru” was dropped to make it informal.

This way we would have for eg. miteru (for “is watching” - instead of mite iru) or miteta (for “was watching” - instead of mite ita).

That’s it, right?

About particle “de”, it was really new for me, I didn’t know it could be used this way.

Now ’bout “kute”, it’s still a litlle confusing for me.

Anyway, thank you very much for your initiative in helping me out.

Stu-san, よろしくおねがいします。

I personally believe it’s better to start studying kanji right away. Otherwise you would have to start studying Japanese all over again after you’ve “finished it”!!!

Also, kanji can sometimes help you memoraze some new words. Peter-san gives lots of examples in the lessons and it’s been definitely useful for me.

Also, characters repeat, so once you’ve learned one you can learn where to squeeze them in in some other words. :lol:

Well, this is my opinion. Also, try to use kana as much as possible instead of rouma-ji and if planning to buy a dictionary, try one with kana entries, they are really helpful.

Cya all :cool:

avatar Stu says:

Joao Paulo-san, ありがとう

also, i am applying for electronics course i am applying for in university, which allows me to take a year out to work or study abroad. I would LOVE to go to Japan for this to experience a completely different culture which i hear so much about. What level of Japanese should i have if any is needed at all for soing this. I imagine i would need intermediate / advanced level of japanede and have revised up on technical vocabulary.

Any advice???

Thanks (ありがとう)

avatar Jesse says:

Hi People!!! Peter Galante…..I have a quick question. On the kani close up would you happen to know where I can find the correct way to write the japanese characters? I would like to write them as I listen to it on my ipod. If you would point me to the right direction I would gladly appreciate this. Thank You!
Or if anyone knows anything about this….

avatar Jesse says:

I notice on the pdf file there are spaces to practice wirting them. but I have no clue where to start. top to bottom, right to left, left to right?:???: Help

avatar Vicky says:

Top to Bottom first and then left to Right….. :mrgreen:

avatar John C. Briggs says:

Stuさん,
Yes JapanesePOD is the some of the best material out there. I am a huge fan too. Welcome to the site.

In my opinion, Pimsleur is some of the best material as well. One big advantage of Pimsleur is well regulated repeatition of vocabulary. This really helps with the memorization. For this reason, I think Pimsleur is the most effect tool for learning.

But I agree with you about other “teaching” materials. Most are just lame word lists.
じゃ また
ジョン

avatar Joao Paulo says:

Stu-san

Using a kana based dictionary is very simple. All you need to know is hiragana and katakana. Also, the order of the words will follow Japanese alphabet, i.e. a, i, o, e, u, ka/ga, ki/gi, ku/gu, ke/ge, ko/go, ta/da, etc.

I have a Japanese-English/English-Japanese dictionary like this. Eg.: if you wanna know the meaning of the word “chair” you go to the English entry and you’ll find the translation いす. See, it’s not complicated at all.
Jesse-san

I have some books teaching how to start the strokes. It’s kinda hard to explain it without seeing the pics, but usually Japanese characters start from top to bottom / left to right. When one stroke transpasses all the others, this should be done last (like in the kanji for 車, this vertical one that crosses all the others is the last one done.

The character for 日 for eg. is made of 4 strokes. The first one is the one which starts on top horizontally and goes down vertically (this is considered ONE stroke - and I believe this is the only one that really surprises people in a first contact with kanjis), then comes the other vertical one and then the last two horizontal ones.

Also, when you have diagonal strokes, you start first with the one going right to left and then with the one going left to right (considering you strart writing from top to bottom). Eg. for the kanji 人 (try to see this kanji written in a different way, my computer writes it in a way that makes you think both strokes have the same size), but the big stroke (right to left) is the first and the short one (left to right) is the second.

Also there are some common strokes that are easy to memorize. And sometimes you should also pay attention to the radicals.

This book I have is called Nihongo no Kiso, from what I remember. I’m traveling right now and don’t have these books here with me, but when I come home I can give you more details about this. Or maybe someone knows some sites where you can find this.

Hope I could help a little.

Bye :cool:

avatar Joao Paulo says:

Jesse-san

Just one mistake I noticed I made:

In the kanji for 日 the first stroke is the vertical left one, then the top one (horizontal going down vertically) and then the two horizontal ones.

Sorry! :oops:

avatar Jesse says:

Stu-san thanks for the help. yeah sure I would like to know the name of the books. I’m sure I can find them on the internet somewhere. I know what you mean about explaining how to write it without actually seeing it done. Thanks again!

avatar Vicky says:

Jesse-san, that was Joao Paulo-san. :shock:

avatar Jesse says:

sorry for the mistake Joao Paulo

avatar Sindy-san says:

:mrgreen: I was thinking of working for JP101 I really would like to help out my answering comments that I know the answer or anything now that we have so many listeners so we can help each other out with advice and experience so can you tell me what are the requierements I will like to apply I really don’t care for the payment I can do it for free from NYC to all around the world with love:wink so what you say think about it JP101! S_R_C

PS: Listeners from the moon hi how are you doing? take good care of that moon ok! :grin: Today’s lesson great has always!

avatar Jean-Michel says:

Jesse san,

There are some great animations on the Web showing how to write the Kanji (even with brush!) My favorite is:

http://kanjialive.lib.uchicago.edu

More limited lists can be found at:

http://www.joyo96.org/Grade_1.html
http://www.joyo96.org/Grade_2.html

But then it take a long time to practice…

avatar Joao Paulo says:

Jesse-san

No problem about the names :lol:

I found the book I was talking ’bout @ amazon.com. The link is as follows:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-3170683-2367220?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=shin+nihongo+no+kiso&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

Unfortunatelly there is no pic of the book, but it’s the one book I know about kanji practice.

Mata! :cool:

avatar Stu says:

For those who asked about the book (Jesse…), it’s “Use Your Memory” by Tony Buzan. It’s a book about making your memory unbelievable amazing, and has a language section in it whichw was what i was referring to.

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/102-5045510-8928147?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=use+your+memory

Hope that helps

P.S., Joao Paulo: thanks for the help.

P.S. Peter Galante, the 1st of my messages was for you and your team! thanks

avatar Alan says:

As soon as I heard ぼちぼち I couldn’t help but think of もうかりまっか, although I’m not sure that anyone other than comedians say that anymore. For a moment I thought that one of the speaking parts was going to be in Osaka-ben :smile:

avatar Belton says:

Jean-Michel-san

That Kanji Alive program is very impressive. It’s a pity it’s not standalone and not a web tool. You should post that link in the resources forum.

great podcast. I like gitaigo and giongo. The sound symbolism is so different from English. Hard to guess at meanings based on the sounds though I think.

avatar Daniel Beck says:

Peterちゃん、

I think the sound you were looking for was “bow wow” or “arf arf”, not “bark”. :wink:

avatar Jason says:

I was thinking of working for JP101

神様、どうか私たちに力を与え賜え。。。

avatar Alan says:

それで目が点になる。素っ頓狂。

avatar Sindy-san says:

:lol: You guys really make my day! I laught with your answers all day well I think that means a No right Jason-san! :shock:

Its ok has long has you pray for me and all of us! :mrgreen:
S_R_C

avatar worried says:

The mp3 link is not working (404?) :(

avatar Eran says:

This issue should be resolved. Please let us know if you continue to receive 404 errors. - Eran

avatar アニタ ビヤヌエバ says:

thanks jpod101 for another great lesson! anyway, just wondering, it seems like there is an error in the answer for the 2nd (last) Content Question (in Learning Center) for this lesson. it asks “who is popular” in Japanese, but it says the answer is: 前の彼氏….isn’t the correct answer 新しい彼氏 ?

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