Learn intermediate Japanese with JapanesePod101.com! A lot has happened over the past few days, but Satoko has finally made it home! There are a few familiar sights, but home doesn’t seem to be quite what she expected. The neighbor seems to have some information, but it might not be good news. Tune in to find out! Today’s grammar point talks about the sonkeigo word gozonji. Don’t miss this one!
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Mina-san,
What are your predictions??
Yoroshiku onegai shimasu!
There seems to be a problem with downloading the podcast, not running the audio from the on page bitton, but the actual podcast.
As always, the grammar makes me happy
But I had a few problems yesterday uploading and the plot is a bit strange but that doesn´t really matter! As long as I get some practise and learn something I don´t mind at all
Have a great weekend Mina-san!
I can’t believe we have to wait a whole week to find out what happened!
A suggestion for the intermediate lessons’ “kanji close-up”: more kanji from the dialogue rather than a practice sheet. By this level, most of us can figure out the stroke order without instruction and can easily practice on a blank sheet of paper, right? What does everyone else think?
Michael-san,
Thanks for reporting this glitch. The root cause has been identified and corrected. Please shoot me an email at support@japanesepod101.com if you still have problems accessing the podcast.
Thanks,
Eran
Bluestocking-san,
I am no longer a subscriber so it would be unfair to judge; but it sounds like a good idea to me.
Eran-san,
Things are working just fine at the moment!
J-pod team-san,
I just listened again and I hope you don´t take this the wrong way.
I do still love the podcasts and am very grateful for all your work.
That said I think….now how can I put this????…. Well, in the words of Austin Powers “I think you are loosing your Mojo.” ![]()
Thanks for everything, I had a great time ! I don´t really think one subscriber more or less will make any difference!!
I am sure you will have many, many more!
You did a “great, great job” and I wish you the best of luck!
Unfortunately, my time is restricted at the moment so I need to focus on what works effectively for me.
O-genki-de-ne
For those who haven’t heard, I made it to the office, and lived to tell about it!
It was great! I could meet Peterちゃん、Nathanさん、Sakuraさん、Natuskoさん、and Takaseさん (Nagasaki Connection rules!
)。I also got some good photos & video. I’ll be sure to write it up on my blog soon and post the goodies for all the world to see!
Unfortunately, my mission is incomplete. So, I’ll brave another visit soon to complete my mission!
usagi -san
if you don’t mind me asking, what is about the subscription you did not find worthwhile? It is not a trick question - I am genuinely trying to find out what others think.
I am a premium subscriber and I joined for a full year- the feature I find most useful is the self-study category because of the JLPT level questions that are interactive. I am getting exposed to so much material there and it is all in sizeable chunks…
I am finding that I have very little time to look at the PDF but I am saving them for later and occasionally go and check how words are written in kanji because a word sticks better in my mind if I understand how it is put together that way. I can only listen to the podcasts in the car so I create a CD with all the lessons of one week which means I tend to be one week behind but find the ability to listen repeatedly very very useful.
I guess by the time my first subscription expires next year I will be able to assess how it has worked for me.
usagi-san, I hope you will continue to frequent the site as a non subscriber - I am sure you have lots to contribute and your contributions so far have been most appreciated.
Best wishes for your studies.
mikuji
みんなさん、
I really like this story line. The language is getting a bit difficult for me. However, I listened once, read the PDF, and then listened again. I think this is really the right level for me. I tend to listen to the beginner level often because it is more comfortable, but I need to persist with intermediate.
My prediction is that the father ran off with his mistress and the mother killed herself. How is that for a cheery prediction.
One thing I really like in the intermediate lesson is the little side conversations between the JapanesePOD101 staff. I can only get a small fraction of what is being said, but I think this is excellent experience.
By the way, when I first looked up ほこり, I found that it meant “dirt.” Later, I found that it meant “pride”. Is it true that one word could mean both “dirt” or “pride”. That seems rather vague.
Well, living in Boston, MA USA, it is a little challenging to get anything Japanese. However, I have found an oriental grocer online (California) and ordered some RAMUNE. I have seen this in Japanese videos but never had it. It is soda in an interesting glass bottle where a marble acts as a cork. Has anyone had experience with RAMUNE?
じゃ また
ジョン
Well, I have to agree with Takase-san that Ryuuta-kun’s incident is probably associated with it somehow. But it’s not easy to predict with these writers! (at least not for me
)
ジョンさんー
ほこりdoes seem to have those two meanings, but they use different kanji characters (specifically: 誇り for pride and 埃 for dust). I have found that, many times even when the kanji are different, the meanings of homophones will be related (like taking general items — 取る — and taking photos — 撮る) but it’s not always the case, as we see here.
As for ラムネ, it’s great! The soda is like a less citrusy 7-up, but the marble and the glass bottle makes it like a special experience. If you’ve seen the video, that’s good — I wouldn’t want to try to explain how to open it with just text! enjoy!
Mikuji-san,
You have been a fabulous poster here! Your Kanji-learning advice was excellent so let me thank you for your posts again.
No, I don´t mind you asking, I would probably be asking the same questions!
I have been listening to these i-pods from DAY 1 !!! and I still enjoy them and the tools you mention in the learning center are very nice.
However, there are so many sites on the web which offer these tools (such as interactive JLPT listening exercises)and more for free and at various levels. (I do not want to post about other sites here - it´s not about competition and I feel it would be rude to do so).
I am so happy for you that you have been progressing with your studies and I am sure this site will serve you as an excellent tool.
It was such a pleasure *chatting* to you! Thanks again for your wonderful posts!
I will certainly miss you
Take care and gambatte-ne
Hi guys, just wanted to tell you that I’m featured in this weeks Cream of the Crop - if you like my music, please vote!
Yeah, I know, this has nothing to do with the lesson, but…
Takaseさん、
You rock!
I always enjoy hearing you on the podcast! And it was nice to finally meet you.
When the other half of the Nagasaki Connection returns, the three of us have to hang out.
Sølviさん、
That’s great. I’ll give it a listen.
Well, if anyone wants to see my video submission, I’ve posted it on my blog. You can access it by clicking on my name (in Red) above.
Honestly folks, you are turning this into a pr-site for yr. own sakes.
why not post this in the forum? I have never posted here before but this is really getting to me. Sorry folks but I had to vent, all this private talk is a turn-off when you come here to get some info about the lesson.
usagi and mikuji, you made some great contributions and got me thinking.
j-pod,
It´s a great website for entertainment and to have fun. Not what I wanted tho´. It´s a tough market but there goes one more customer.
David Cさん、
Sorry you feel this way. Yes, sometimes we get carried away with the personal stuff, but the community feel here is a large part of the success of JP101. Plus, you can always scroll.
PS. the video stuff, while it might not be directly on topic to this lesson, is on topic for the site.
david c-san, welcome! And, thanks for your comment. So sorry about you feel this way. Like Daniel B-san said, it carried away daily basics. Have you tried basic / premium side? That site wasn’t enough for you to find the information you need? If you aren’t subscriber please try 7-days trial, or just let us know what information you are looking for. If you can find it, just leave the comments here there are lots of people will help you to find the information you want. Not even about the Japanese.
I guess we care more each other not just studying Japanese so we like to share our thoughts and some other stuff here.
Please let us know, what you were looking for or what you need to know.
We will help you to find. And, please join us.
Daniel B,
You realize this sometimes means scrolling down over 80 posts, right? The community feel is certainly a good thing but don´t forget there are paying customers out there who do not post but come here to learn.
Anyhow, I have taken yr. *you can always scroll* advice to heart.
Yes, as a customer I do have choices, so not only will I scroll but I have unsubscribed now , not that it makes any difference. In a few days no-one will remember this post anyways and I don´t want to rain on yr. parade so I´ll just leave it at that.
David Cさん、
I don’t speak for JP101, just as a single member of the community.
Sorry it didn’t work out for you. Good luck! I mean that.
David C.さん, I’m so sorry! I feel terrible now… And I’ll try to keep to the forums in the future.
David c. and others who might share his views:
I have had my doubts, also, about what is appropriate to post in Comments for each episode. Sometimes I think the forum might be a better place to write personal things, but, on the other hand, this place can reach more people. As for me, it’s been wonderful to make connections with some of the people who post here. It has enriched my learning in many ways. Also, the forum is harder to access, so this place is better for reaching more listeners. All listeners can feel free to introduce themselves and join in whatever is going on. The more people that post, the better off we’ll be! Sorry you had to leave. Please come back!
David Cさん,
Being easier to post to, the comments sections lends itself to chatter more than the forum. The forum is full of serious, in-depth discussions with very minimal chatter. Anyone who would take a little time to explore it would know that. Like Liz said, more people see the comments section than the forum. Many people are attracted to jpod101 because of the very friendly, helpful, and highly visible community. I’m sorry you don’t like the way we do things here, but it’s gotten jpod where it is now.
BTW, who’s cell phone vibrated at the end of the lesson?
My problem is that the forum is so much of a hassle to get to… You have to go to ‘forum’, log in again, then find out where someone might have posted a personal message… Maybe a separate forum for daily posts, linked from this page?
You can always use the forum’s feature to keep you logged in so you don’t have to login everytime.
Just listened to the show… Good work!
I went out with a group of Japanese salariman-tachi (and salary women) and it was a real eye opener.
In a situation like that, even if you don’t understand what people are saying, you can probably pick the last 2 or 3 syllables of the last word of the sentence, and so pick up if it’s honorific, plain, or ‘worshipping’ voice.
The Bucho (boss), was lazing back in his chair with a cigarette for most of the time. Everyone laughed at his jokes, and he never had an empty glass. I was primarily his guest. All of his verbs ended in ‘-u’ (plain form)
Most of the others sat very straight in their chairs, and listened intently when bucho was speaking. They filled my glass with a small pitcher of sake when it was empty. Most of their verbs ended in -masu, and when speaking to me, EVERY verb was something-masu, and spoken in a lower voice.
The most interesting guy there hardly said anything. He was at the farthest position away from me. He rarely contributed to the conversation. He was whispering conversation to another person. Occasionally someone would call out his name and show them the empty pitcher. He’d always seem to make out like he’d made some mistake, “oh… su… sumimasen…’, nod profusely, and pour the water. He was the ‘buka’ or subordinate.
Anyway, after we all finished our meal, and quite a lot of alcohol was drunk, we left. We walked down the street, with Buka trailing behind us, when he sprinted up ahead. He quickly flagged down 5 taxis (we only needed 3 though). He frantically opened each door for us, so we could take our pick as to which dingy Shanghai taxi we could take, and bowed deeply, looking at his shoelaces as we climbed in.
Ok, I’m getting to the relevant part. It even relates to one of this week’s lessons.
We arrived at a small noodle shop, and I heard buka speak one of the only sentences I picked up from him during the whole night. He asked something of one of the (female) superiors. (Actually everyone there was his superior)
“Kono mise ni kita koto ga gozaimasuka.” (Have You Been To This Shop Before? )
All of a sudden it all made sense. The hierachy was clear, and its relation to the language all fell into place. If you had been able to see the body language that buka showed when asking the question (the eyes looking down, the nervous voice) and the nervous nodding/bowing when he listened to the other person’s answer, you’d understand all of this honorific stuff sensei-tachi are telling us about.
Hope you enjoyed the story! Hope it helps!
I’ve had some problems with the feature you mention, Jasonさん. It worked perfectly well before I started my subscription, but now I have to log in every time.
Maxさん: There is a link on the upper right side of the forum to a list of new posts since your last visit. But - unfortunately - after I started subscribing, there sometimes seems to be a double log-in, and this list is reset, if you know what I mean.
I think these problems are what caused me to move back to the comments section instead, but also the fact that you can feel more free to write what you want without looking for the proper heading for it. I’ve made so many good friends thanks to the comments section, and I’ve experienced that it is very inclusive, new people are welcomed in a very nice way. But yeah, I can imagine how it is to stand on the side and watch, but it’s sometimes hard to remember that there are “invisible” people on this site as well (sorry if that word offended anybody, I was trying to come up with a good translation of a Norwegian phrase I had in mind, but then I forgot the phrase…
).
As the comments to day are a little sad, I want to say I’m very glad ot the podcasts. Petersan has made a good job, as all the band, and I’m glad to hear them every day!
I’m only a basic member, but I always learn something of beginners lessons, particuliarly with informal, that I could find only here.
At the beginning I was a little annoyed with the light-hearted banter, but after some monthes, I fell like I hear friends speaking.
I like intermediate lessons, even if I wolud like them a little higher in grammar. As John said, side conversation are also interesting, although a little quick also in english.
Ganbatte! I’ll stay with you some years more!
Usually I only listen to the beginner lessons, but today listened to the intermediate lesson and to my surprise understood a fair bit. Suzuki-san’s polite phrasing was most enjoyable. The intermediate lesson’s are still a bit hard for me, but maybe it’s time ‘to take my japanese to the next level’™
I’m sorry that Usagi-san feels that the Mojo’s been lost (although I’m not convinced that Austin Powers had any in the first place
). For myself, the audio podcasts are great and my listening comprehension has improved considerably, just over the last couple of months. I’m even understanding some (actually still not much yet) of the Fuji News Network internet news casts, which previously was impossible for me.
Perhaps the loss of Mojo relates to the video. iLove was certainly fun (and I can’t wait to see how you tie the listener submissions in to the next episode; surely a scriptwriting challenge given the material seen so far), but perhaps covering topics such as food would be more useful. I’m still working on correctly identifying japanese food dishes. Just mentioning food is making me hungry. おなかがすく。寿司を食べたいです。
Sølvi-san,
(Everyone — notice how I can type “ø”. On a Mac you hold down the Option Key as you type “o”. Another subscriber taught me)
Something you wrote helped me to figure out that if I log in on the Home Page I can navigate everywhere without a “double log in”. So from now on I will log in immediately. Thanks.
Max-san,
This is a wonderful story!! Your experience was one that most of us cannot have and your level of understanding of the Japanese language contributed to the story immensely, as well as your observations of body posture and tone of voice. It was like being there! But, I was “being there” as a person with all of your observational skills and knowledge. THANKS!!
Maxさん,
Thank you for the story.
みんな さん
I am not sure what to say about the personal discussions here.
On the one hand, the personal discussions are a bit of a distraction for people looking for comments on the lesson. I have often felt this way about the comments.
On the other hand, clearly some members enjoy this type of communications. There seem to be more people interested in general chat than in lesson related discussions.
Being a firm believer in free speech, I think the solution here is “more speech”. For those people that want more lesson related discussions, please write them. This can shift the balance.
As always, I think tolerance of others desires is important and I think we need to stay clear of negative discussions. Negative discussions are a real turn-off.
We can all learn from Peter. His high energy and positive attitude makes JPOD what it is. Also note, Peter keeps the lessons as a mixture of banter and education. So the same should probably apply here.
Sorry if this sounds to stern.
Thanks
John C. Briggs
P.S. For anyone interested in more focused discussions, please check out the forums. These definately have less personal banter.
Lizさん、
“Another subscriber” taught you? Who could that be, I wonder.
Sølviさん, have you tried deleting all your cookies and temp internet files? If not, try that. And then try logging directly into the forum first (http://www.japanesepod101.com/forum/login.php). Don’t log into the subscriber’s part of the site yet. Close your browser, and come back to the forum and see if you’re still logged in. I have a feeling there’s an issue between the forum’s autologin feature and the fact that logging into the subscriber’s section logs you into the forum too. Because when I was logging into the subscriber section a lot, I would get logged out of the forums even though I set it to autologin. Since I haven’t logged into the subscriber’s section for a while now, I’ve stayed logged into the forum just fine.
Like Johnさん said, if you want to see more lesson related posts in the comments section, try posting about it yourself. If we don’t have anything particular to say about the lesson at the time, we just chatter amongst ourselves until someone does. There have been some really good lesson related discussion in the comments section in the past. But after the forums were introduced, those shifted mostly to the forums. But nothing’s stopping anyone from posting a great, lesson relevant quetsion or comment in the comments section. It’s just that no one seems to have had one here in a while. Or if they did, they posted it in the forums, the link to which I might add is at the top of every jpod101 page.
Also that section about lesson relevant comments wasn’t directed at Sølviさん but to evreyone who wants to see more lesson related stuff here in the comments.
Jasonさん, yeah, I’ve noticed that it helps to not log in to the subscriber features. I think I’ll try deleting the cookies and stuff like you said; school has just started, and my time for in-depth study of the pdfs will be limited, at least on weekdays. I guess this is the best solution for now.
I also want to say that I agree on what you say in your comment about the comments section.
Sølviさん, I found the bug and should have a fix to the forum/site log in issue in a couple of days.
Wow, Eranさん, you’re great!
Thanks a lot for everything you do for this site! But shouldn’t you be spending some quality time with your wife instead of hanging out in the comments section?
This is way of subject and perhaps inapropriate to say, but Ms. Chigusa has a very sexy voice.
Please keep her around for a long time
Claytonian-san? The use of さん or -san on everyone’s name here is… sorry, but, irritatingly affected. If you’re not speaking Japanese or addressing a Japanese person at least, why would you do that? It’s a little like insisting on calling someone sen~or just because you’re discussing Spanish. Again, please take this constructively, but it’s very freshman Japanese and hard to read from a Norwegian talking to an American in English, for instance. Strikes me that, as the Japanese generally seem to follow, if you’re speaking Japanese, it makes sense. If you’re talking to a Japanese person, it might make sense– though, done in English, I think it’s tolerated more than appreciated– done in English between non-Japanese, it borders on the offensive. You wouldn’t bow to each other, would you? You wouldn’t, right?
This is a Japanese learning environment, and learning (and remembering) to attach the appropriate honorific suffix to someone’s name is very important. Even if you’re not talking to a Japanese person or in Japanese at all, it’s still good practice. I hardly think it “borders on the offensive.” If anyone’s been offended, no one’s mentioned anything all this time. I’m sorry it annoys you, but I think you’re making a much bigger deal over this than it actually is.
Molehill -> mountain
I agree with David c finally they just post for group that has more time than us and leave the new and little time here people behind and I think that’s not fare! S_R_C
david c. says:
August 19th, 2006 at 8:46 am
Daniel B,
You realize this sometimes means scrolling down over 80 posts, right? The community feel is certainly a good thing but don´t forget there are paying customers out there who do not post but come here to learn.
Anyhow, I have taken yr. *you can always scroll* advice to heart.
Yes, as a customer I do have choices, so not only will I scroll but I have unsubscribed now , not that it makes any difference. In a few days no-one will remember this post anyways and I don´t want to rain on yr. parade so I´ll just leave it at that.
Sindyさん、
Yeah, you’re the one to talk!
How many apologies & rants have we read from you? Puh-leeeese.
Daniel Beck-san (
) Your face
I finally see your pic and who are you!
So you read my comments ehh
and you say you were going to ignore them because they were not interest but since you being here in NYC or born in New York City don’t know well I will forgive you all because your a protestant and you roll over alot I understand you! S_R_C
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