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August 11th, 2006 | help Need help?

Learn Japanese with JapanesePod101.com! Last week we took a break from our normal intermediate lessons to bring you our first installment of iLove. Today we return to Satoko in Wakkanai, who has just found Ryuta’s note. What will it say? Today’s grammar point covers the phrase n ja nai kana. Tune in and then stop by JapanesePod101.com for PDFs, line-by-line audio, and more! Don’t forget to leave us a post!

Voice Actors: Chigusa, Yoshi, Take, Natsuko, Takase | Hosts:
Category: Intermediate Lessons |

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51 Responses to “Intermediate Lesson #26 - Breakfast for One”

avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

Mina-san,

We now return to our normal programming! :wink: Don’t forget to vote as today is the last day! We’ve also begun receiving a few video submissions - keep them coming! :grin:

Yoroshiku onegai shimasu!

avatar mikuji says:

Thank you for an early release of the program today.
mikuji

avatar Nicole says:

Wow! This one came out so early!
The Intermediate story is getting very interesting. I can’t wait to see what happens next!
Thank you for explaining the “n ja nai ka na” phrase. It’s something that troubled me a lot in reading various manga. Sometimes in Japanese the negative is used to express an affirmative thought, and it can get confusing. But this has really cleared it up for me. Thank you! :grin:

I will definitely be voting for the last time today!

Keep up the great work, everyone!

avatar usagi says:

Ahhh more grammar for me :razz:

The grammar points make me happy! And what happened re. ” two lessons per day”? So you need a few more days to work on that? :mrgreen:

Have a great weekend mina-san!

P.S. Anyone else trying to cram Kanji´s at the moment? Please share your advice

avatar JockZon says:

やった!Grammar!

でも、あいかわらずクエスチョンがあいます。
Firstly. What is the difference between てだすけをする and 手伝ってくれる?

Secondly. Could you translate んじゃないかな I think/I am almost sertain that… 明日の天気は雨んじゃないかな/明日の天気が雨とおもう.

Maybe that is not the case or maybe you could only use that in that case when it mean I think/I wonder.

Well anyway, it was a great lesson! I will defenetly use this expression.

avatar John C. Briggs says:

Usagi,
Looking to cram Kanji, try KingKani from Gakusoft.
John

avatar mikuji says:

usagi-san

Good luck wth your kanji learning.

The following is may preferred method - I apologise if it is not news to you:

1) learn the meaning first - rely on making stories involving the radicals (which have a meaning of themselves) that make up the kanji- include some reference of the order of the radical appearance (e.g. left to right) in the story

2) then find words you know that contain an example of the kanji with the pronunciation of each sound (on and kun yomi)

3) always put these word in context if you can - picture a situation in which they would be used- knowing the meaning will help a lot.

Let us know what kanjis you are studying and whether this helps.

Gambatte ne.

mikuji

avatar JockZon says:

Sorry… forget it, I am too tired… My expample sentences are like I do not know what I did. :cool:

明日は雨になるじゃないかな/明日が雨になるとおもう。

Maybe you will get the picture, even though I have a crappy japanese :cool:

avatar mikuji says:

.. sorry I meant to spell it as ‘my’ preferred method :oops:

cheers

mikuji

avatar Brody says:

Hurray!!
Great lesson! Take-san’s crazy! Brilliant!
Seriously though, I appreciate all of the Japanese 101 staff and how much you’ve all helped me.

I also think some good soap opera music would do the tale good. Get some crucial moments going in the next installment where Ryuta-san reveals something startling and put in that “DUN! DUN! DUN!” music (You which music I’m talking about, right? 分かるんじゃない?)

とにかく、またお礼を言たいです。

どうもありがとうございます!!

avatar usagi says:

John-san,

Thanks, I will google that now. Is it expensive?

Mikuji-san,

Great ideas. Reminded me a bit of Heisig when I read your first point. I am using cards at the moment; handmade and I got some Kumon cards for children with pictures on them!!
Using example sentences works best for me at the moment but I always forget the stroke order for some of them!!!! :oops:

Thank you !! :grin:

avatar Laura says:

What were they saying about Yoshi being “kakkoi kedo … giggle giggle”? :shock:

avatar JockZon says:

Usagi-san you could remember the stroke order by learning a few rules. The basic ones is left to right, top to bottom. Wakatta?

There are some rules when you write boxes and so on but I can’t remember them now.

avatar Vicky says:

Mina-san, I already posted this yesterday comments.

Anybody has skype or ichat ID just send me a PM (Private Message from Forum). Jppod community will visit you guys if you have a video / web cam that would be great. We can meet you guys as well.

Let us know if you guys are don’t know what’s PM or How to send PM. PM works as a short text message and email, so you can send an email or a message to anybody you want if the person is a member from community.

So send me a PM, then we can arrange to meet people whoever out there.
I personally met lot of people last couple of days.

Mata Ne! :wink:

avatar John C. Briggs says:

Usagi-san,
KingKanji is $25 (www.gakusoft.com). I have been using it for a couple of years on my PocketPC (also works on Palm and Windows).

You can setup the software to quiz you in a variety of ways. e.g. meaning to kanji, kanji to meaning, etc. The unique feature (in my experience) is that it can give you feedback on stroke order to make sure you are writing the kanji correctly.

More recently, I have been using the Genki series (excellent by the way), and I have been inputting the vocabulary into the proper format for use with KingKanji. This allows me to practive writing kanji and hiragana. Really excellent.

However, KingKanji does not help with the stories or memory tricks. For that you will need Henshall or Heiseg.

I have spent a lot of time learning isolated Kanji and feel this is not the best approach. For me, it is really important to connect the Kanji to one or two simple words. I often use Henshall, but unfortunately, the example words are too complicated for me. I would be interested in a listed of very simple words associated with Kanji.

My current approach is to study the kanji along with the vocabulary for the Genki series. This works for me, but may be too much for a beginner.
Jya Mata.
ジョン

avatar usagi says:

JockZon-san,

Hai, hai. Wakarimashta. Must be lack of talent on my side. Being left-handed adds to the confusion. But I bought some sugoi pens to motivate me :wink:

Vicky-san,
I have no idea how to do this but it sounds monosugoi!

Hope you all have fun :lol:

avatar usagi says:

John-san,

Excellent advice. I think I need to buy KanjiKing. When you say the Genki series do you mean the books by Eri Banno? That is what I am doing also :shock: You seem to be learning them the same way as I am. Also, the Kanji texts at the back of Genki is helping me.

Hontoni arigato John-san.
Very inspiring ideas :razz:

avatar Vicky says:

Usagi-san, it’s not hard to do it. Do you know how to send PM?
Go to Forum, from a member list, look for my name, and click send me a message. If you can send me a message with MSN, Skype ID or Ichat ID, I will send you a message back.

Liz-san went to buy a camera for this. :shock:
It’s fun guys!!!

avatar Sindy says:

:cool: Everything is clear to me know all my doubts are answer I don’t need anymore information I know it all! what a surprise I never thought about it! and its been two months I been here and I finally know the true what a pity surprise :shock: to know the true! I thought more hight of you JP101 but its real and I’m not dreaming! :neutral:

About today’s lesson Intermadiate I just understand some not all but I heard Giants that must be New York football Giants right! Go Go Go Giants
Also tomorrow is Red Bulls game against Barcelona I’m with Red Bulls has I was with my team Club America on wednesday but it was a draw but a great game! :mrgreen: S_R_C

avatar JockZon says:

Sindy, what are you talking about?

avatar usagi says:

Vicky-san,
I can PM you, but I do not have skype/Ichat. I wish you all a lot of fun. I am sure you already enjoy all this.

Take care and have a lovely weekend.

Sindy-san,
I could just be confused - your post sounds as though you are upset or sad about something. Hope everything works out for you. Have a nice weekend.

Jockzon-san, John-san and Mikuji-san,

I just re-read all the posts and just have to say a huge THANK YOU to all of you. Excellent advice.
Now I just need to switch off the computer and get back to my books. :lol:

avatar Vicky says:

Usagi-san, yeah just send me a PM. I will help you. It’s easy to download for free. It’s up to you. :wink:

It’s really fun that I’m sharing with you guys.

About the lesson, Why Peter-san English part is so sad??? :roll:
Like always, I still don’t get Take-san’s part. I want to laugh too!! :mrgreen:

avatar Sindy says:

:smile: ohh No I’m Not upset its nothing don’t worry its something always wanted to found out and finally found it but it was too much for me :shock: but I finally got an answer after two months of figuring out that’s all! :mrgreen: thank you for caring! S_R_C

avatar Sindy says:

:neutral: Well I think its time for me to leave JP101 temporary I need to think about these it was too much :shock: I can’t recover from it now but maybe later on when time passes because time cures everything ok! Thank you very much to everyone here and I mean all the people that like me and dislike me! Finally you will have break from me! I won’t be able to see the videos but I hope JP101 keeps them for future reference ok! Nos vemos, see ya, sayonara :cool: S_R_C

avatar Daniel Beck says:

Takaseさん、

You rock! :cool: Looking forward to the reuniting of the Nagasaki Connection and the 2nd Nagasaki-ben episode!

Peterちゃん、

はっ? :lol:

avatar JockZon says:

Eh Sindy, you are just leaving like that? Por que? Explain! :eek:

I am a curious little guy :cool:

avatar Liz says:

Mina-san,
To explain what Vicky said: When she said she “met” some people in our community, she meant audio chat and/or video chat, email or Personal Message through the Forum. I have made a number of friends this way. Or should I say, “virtual friends”? She did not meet the people in real life!! I hope that clears it up.

You can follow Vicky’s directions to talk to her or any other member of the community or at least email or PM. Find their names in the forum. Hint: for speedier finding, go to the URL at the top and replace the number with a higher number.
Do you understand?

Also, Skype is great, free program which allows to talk to people in other countries completely free!! You can add a camera to do Video Chat. What fun! Thanks to Vicky for showing me how to do this! :grin:

avatar John C. Briggs says:

Usagi-san
Yes the Genki Series is the Books, Workbooks, and CDs by Eri Banno. A great series. I am on Chapter 12 of volume 1. If you decide to get KingKanji, let me know and I can send you the lesson files. I really like the Genki series.
Jya Mata
John

avatar Vicky says:

I did my final Voting. Hope jppod wins!

Go Jppod!!! :mrgreen:

avatar Jason says:

There are some rules when you write boxes…

Boxes usually go in this order:

1) left side
2) top and right side (in one stroke)
3) anything that goes in the box
4) the bottom side

avatar Daniel says:

Jasonさん、

Hope you are talking about 漢字。 :wink:

avatar Vicky says:

Liz-san, Daniel-san finally download Skype video. Hope you can meet him tomorrow. Break your curse!! :mrgreen:

avatar Liz says:

(The technology curse of not being able to connect via iChat/Aim. Maybe Skype will work.)

avatar Daniel Beck says:

Our Vickyちゃん & Lizさん、

Could you keep this talk to private email? :roll:

avatar Liz says:

We want to invite everyone to join us. :smile:
This makes our learning even richer. For example, using video Skype, one community member was able to write Kanji with magic marker on a large pad and the other community member was able to correct it!! In another case, two community members practiced the dialogue, using Audio Chat!! So, I feel these comments are appropriate here. :smile:

avatar Hugo says:

Great weekend to everybody in the comunity! Is a hot day today in Cordoba to whinter season, I hope what everyone was just fine :razz:

Amazing lesson as always :mrgreen: Speaking of learning I’am thinking in investigate the skype technology :smile:

avatar Daniel Beck says:

Lizさん、

My name was singled out, and the information was for one person:you. So, I have to disagree.

avatar katie says:

i’d ask why sindy is choosing to leave, but its probably not all that interesting

and even it if was, i doubt i’d be able to understand

avatar Sindy says:

:grin: Thank you So much Katie I know it doesn’t matter because no one is indispensable in this world and if you want to know the answer lies within and here so search that’s all I can say! :shock: ohh god thanks to Dream Theater a great band that went to make a concert in tokyo two or three years ago Bundai! :smile: Listen to their songs carefully the are alot of truths there too! So you know I’m a person that loves the true and search for it and when finally I get things clear I learn more and more! Philosophy my friends that’s all! :mrgreen: S_R_C

avatar Sindy says:

I feel better now my recover was great just a little medicine I feel new and fine! :wink: JockZon Viva Sweden and Norway Black metal, Dead Metal Rules! Scandinavios :mrgreen: S_R_C

avatar katie says:

awesome, i was right, i didn’t understand any of that

sindy, what kind of drugs do you do when listening to death metal and dream theater?

avatar Sindy says:

:neutral: well depends when I feel very bad like yesterday that got :shock: I have to take a calm down tablet! and get some rest, etc! hey do you know the bands I said above if so what do you think? :cool: You seem to be a nice girl how about we can chat? or PM? Here are my e-mail address(Shaoraneagle84@aol.com, Sakuraeagle84@hotmail.com, Ulverjmu6284@yahoo.com, Vampiremonk684.gmail) add me in your list of IM or you can hav my mobile too just let me know so we can talk personally if your interest of course! :mrgreen:
Anyone else interest too you can add me or let me know has well! :wink: S_R_C

avatar Sølvi says:

Sindyさん: Thanks for appreciating Norwegian music :)

avatar John C. Briggs says:

What is going on at time marker 5:50. There is a word used
いやしい
which the dictionary shows as
greedy, vulgar, shabby, humble, base, mean, vile
What are they saying about Ryuta?
John

avatar 41st side qns ny says:

あやしい=suspicious. you heard wrong

avatar John C. Briggs says:

41st Side qns ny Thanks for clarifying this.

avatar 41st side qns ny says:

at 1;10 in talking about yoshi she(natsuko?)says ” あたま ほんき だと思います” anyone want to explain that? also the male speaker around the same time (1:00) uses an (i think) onomatopoeiatic phrase to describe yoshi’s face or expression: “poka~an”. anyone care to take a stab at that? Does anyone know if in subscribing to premium you also get transcripts of the commentary? This is often more relevant and colloquial than the dialogue. Or is premium just a bonus of drills and stuff?
thanks

avatar John C. Briggs says:

41st side qns ny
These are good questions. I tried to figure them out but failed.

I don’t think there are any translations for the commentary anywhere on JPOD. I agree with you that these are often more important than the lesson.
Thanks
John C. Briggs

avatar 41st side qns ny says:

also at around 45 seconds at the begining the speaker says”よしは かんぜん に ちぐささん に まけてました” does that mean”yoshi lost completely to chigusa”?

avatar 41st side qns ny says:

Thanks john hopefully someone will help out.

avatar 41st side qns ny says:

oh and if anyone is feeling bored enough to answer all these questions, at around 6:20 does the speaker , in referring to people like ryuta, use the word “uchuujin” ? meaning “space alien”?

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