Learn Japanese with JapanesePod101.com. Today we’re taking in some sports, as some of our members make it to the stadium! We’ll be talking sports and class one Japanese verbs! If you studied class 2 and class 3 Japanese verbs with us, you don’t want to miss today’s lesson!
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皆さん、みなさん(Mina-san) Today’s location is Amusuterudamu・アムステルダム。Hello to all our Dutch listeners!
As you may have heard on our Sunday News program, this week we’ll be appearing as speakers for the Tokyo Mac Users Group at 7pm on Friday night. Directions to the Ginza Tokyo store can be found via this link. ![]()
Yoroshiku onegai shimasu.
Show time 7pm,
directions to the location:
http://www.apple.com/retail/jp/ginza/
I am going to Amsterdam at the end of the month. I actually like the Netherlands.
Hello…Sorry to be a pain…but I have notice what I think is a mistake in the translation.
in the PDF is says:
Natsuko : The truth is I don’t watch sports nor play sports.
Takeya : But because I like you I am here.
I think it should be just Takeya-san saying all of the above.
Takeya : The truth is I don’t watch sports nor play sports. But because I like you I am here.
Sorry, if I am wrong.
Steve
Steve-san, thanks for pointing this out! This will be corrected in the morning. ![]()
よろしくお願いします!
A nice podcast. I have notice that when it comes to saying soccer, in Japanese it is said as Sakkaa…which is interesting as it is almost an American way of saying Soccer…I guess that is possibly because in the USA they use soccer where as we tend to use football. You see, if I did not know how to write soccer in katakana I might end up spelling it as: ソッカー (sokkaa) instead of サッカー I am NOT being picky…I just found it interesting.
Anyway, I like the way you teach verb conjuctions and a helpful hint about going back from ‘u’ to ‘i’
O-genki de
Steve
p.s.
I Hope you chaps gave the girls plenty of white chocolate
Great podcast.
Takeya-san - with a voice like yours you must have girls chasing you all over the place. I hope you carry a big stick to beat them off with.
Peter-san - as always thanks for the great insights into verb conjugation. It is helpful.
Sakura-san - thank you for your laugh. it is always a bright point in my day when I get to hear it.
Arigatou gozaimasu.
ネイト
Steve-san - Yes, a lot of words in Japanese which come from English are actually the American-English way of saying things. For example, the word camping; キャンピング (kyampingu) rather than what I would prefer; カンピング (kampingu).
For anyone I’ve confused, please note that キャンピング is the correct way of saying the word, just that in a perfect world (for British English speakers) it wouldn’t be! :p
Hi RobGillion-san
Thanks…that is interesting. For all Americans out there…I was not being picky about it, I just happened to find it interesting.
A lot of none-English speakers may not realise that there are differences between American English and UK English…In fact even Australian English as it’s differences.
I read a theory once that maybe that is how the English spoke inculding the accent (which of course is varied) at the time they emmigrated to the USA 400 years ago.
Anyway…please…I am not Anti-American….I am worried some might think that. I have relatives that are American…..I am not Anti-anybody….I just find the difference in English interesting…that’s all.
It is also interesting how these differences are noticable in teaching. For example we have a friend in Honk Kong who learnt English from an teacher from the UK..and she has a English ‘accent’ when she speaks. But I met someone once, from Japan, and he was taught English from a teacher from the USA and he had an American ‘accent’
I bet learning English is confusing…especially if you keep having different teachers from different Engliosh speaking countries.
Anyway…I am going to eat dinner now.
O-genki de
Steve
Nice bonus track in the informal stream. I knew the sweet Natsuko was too good to be true –the “real” Natsuko emerges! (joudan dayo!
)
Steve-san - same here, I wasn’t trying to make an anti-American comment, I was just trying to say that when you come across a Japanese word which comes from English, it feels like a free word (i.e. you can expand your vocabulary with zero effort), but you just have to remember that it’s slightly different, so it no longer feels “free” any more. But yes, it is interesting, the differences.
One thing I really love is in Japanese magazines, sometimes there are adverts which are meant to be in English, but they’re written in Katakana - even my friends who have been doing Japanese for years and years still take ages trying to figure out what they say!
Oh my gosh!! So many racists here!! Why do you hate us Americans so much??!?!? Oh my gosh!!
Just kidding, of course
I don’t think anyone will take offence to talking about differences in lexicon of various forms of English.
Thanks for another great lesson!!
haha poor americans
And steve I think I read about that “old-english” was close to american theory too.. in a bill bryson book!
they also used to say most “a” sounds the same as in “hAve”.. so war wasn’t “wor” it was “war” .. ( hard to say haha)
Us kiwi’s sound more like english than american, although in america most people thought I was australian haha.
ANYWAY thanks for another great lesson. I have to admit, because I listen to these at work I can FEEL I am only getting about 40% of the benefit from these lessons. I need a new pc at home dammit!
take-san your voice is super cool. ALMOST as cool as peter’s.
I would love to go to Amsterdam sometime…with a last name of Van Buskirk, seems like I should.
It will have to come after I go to Japan though. After all these Japanese lessons (and hopefully by this time next year, I will have passed JLPT 4 (or 3??), I should make a point to go as a reward.
Rhonda-san, JLPT 4 is the easiest one? So it goes 4 3 2 1. .. wonder why they did that
should of started from 1 and gone up!. now they’ve sort of shot themsleves in the foot if they think of a harder test
JLPT 0! or JLPT -1
Has anyone noticed that we are getting close to 100 podcasts? As of today the count is 86 (I did not count the blog entries). Should we celebrate when we get to 100.
ネイト
nathan-san, haha. I guess I’d rather be number 1 than number 4!
Jay-san,
Me too
Nate-san,
Good idea! JP101 should fly us all in to Tokyo for a big party
nathan-san a question, 難しいん. what is the ん for? muzukashiin?
ps thanks for making me look up and learn some new kanji
I’ve seen that muzukashi on some import fighting games I had! (for the cpu difficulty).
still takes me a long time to read hiragana.
its like:
それでは,
so….ne..or is that wa.. no it’s re…….de……..ha… i mean wa……..
haha.
might actually start some hirigana flowing together practice. Anyone have any tips? I know them in my head but the recall is slow. to be fair i have done absolutely no practice with trying to flow it together, so any suggestions on what worked for people would be cool
Vicky-san,
Hisashiburi desu ne! Welcome back! How have you been? How was your birthday??
Jay-san,
The ん is actually the particle の used as an explainer. It’s very useful, and quite common. Check this out:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/particles3.html#part5
As for getting comfortable with hiragana, it just takes time and practice. Find any chunk of hiragana you can and just read through it. Don’t worry about getting the meaning so much as reading. Maybe read through all of the hiragana transcriptions in the supplemental material
Hi Nathan-san, thank you for asking. It was good. I got to play tennis lot on my B/day.
I’m going to play a mix double tournament this weekend. i just started to play tennis 10 weeks ago same as Japanese. I’m getting nervous. It’s too soon to me.
I haven’t got Korean Birthday soup either, but I had the greatest b/day party from work that they made me crying…..
Are you on Spring Break? You go to College right?
From Japanese classmate, they think I study alot during the week. But only think I do is listening jp101……over and over….
I’m going to take 2nd level next month. Hope I can handle it.
Mata ne~~~
ahh ok, thanks for the explanation/link.
hmm I do read through the transcripts in hiragana, I think I need to devise a new method of quick recall. I’m gonna look into it I think. Let you know what I find.
Vicky-san,
Does that mean my message that I posted on your birthday made sense?
Or was it just a coincidence that you mentioned soup
I’m glad you had a good birthday
Wow, already a tournament! I bet you’re ready. We never feel ready, but when we get out there and do it, we usually find out we’re more prepared than we thought. I think you’ll do great!
Yeah, I’m on spring break right now. 春休み
You’ll do fine in level two!
Jay-san,
Maybe they’re too familiar since you already know what was said. Try finding text that you aren’t familiar with, and read as much as possible. I’m sure there is probably a fancier method, though, so let us know what you come up with!
Nathan-san, yes it made a sense. Thank you for mentioning, I totally forgot about the soup that you do eat soup on your birthday.
Like always, I will do my best!!!
Question….I don’t know what’s difference using Ka and Ne the end…
I asked same question in class, maybe you can explaing a better way???
Great Podcast!!!
Natsuko, OOhhhh AAAhhhhh, You sound so nice and Sweet… Peter as well, you sounded kawai interpreting Natsuko’s “I’M SO HAPPY”. haha
Does anybody here got Friendster? (www.friendster.com)
I also need to know if I can syndicate Japanesepod in my Friendster account…
Mata Ne!
Vicky-san,
‘ka’ is like a normal question ending.
eg.
what are you doing?
do you understand?
where is the bathroom?
what shall we eat?
it needs an answer of some kind.
‘Ne’ is not really a REAL question. its almost like a rhetorical question, or a statement.
eg.
This is good, isnt it? (or even just, this IS good)
Isn’t it nice weather we’re having?
it doesn’t require an answer, but it requires..something..
This is what I have gathered from it’s usage. I could be off a little ![]()
OH and happy birthday!
Vicky-san,
か (ka) is the question particle. It is very straightforward, as it simply turns the sentence into a question.
大丈夫ですか。(daijoubu desu ka)
Are you okay? (lit. “okay?”)
大丈夫です。(daijoubu desu)
I’m okay. (lit. “okay”)
Notice the only difference between the two is the question marker, か.
The ね (ne) particle is a sentence ending particle that is usually used in seeking agreement. Generally, it’s something that you expect the other party to agree on. In this sense, it can sound inquisitive like a question, but it is seeking agreement rather than an answer. When used with a falling tone, it is generally sharing your impression with someone, giving a bit of emphasis.
いいお天気ですね。(ii otenki desu ne - rising tone)
The weather is nice, isn’t it?
そうですね。(sou desu ne - falling tone)
It is, isn’t it!
In the first one, it is a statement (the weather is nice), but the speaker seeks agreement from the listener (don’t you think). In the second, the listener agrees (it is), and then emphasizes it a bit (isn’t it).
ね can also be used a bit like “like” in the valley girl sense. In this case, it can be inserted in a number of places in the sentence, kind of as an attention grabber. It can also be used on its own in that sense. (These uses are mostly feminine and can easily be overdone.)
ねぇ、どうしよう? (neee (falling intonation), dou shiyou?)
Hey… what should I do?
ね is a lot more complex than か, but that should give you a good basic idea. Let me know if it’s unclear!
Jay-san,
Sorry, I cross-posted with you
JP-san,
I have a Friendster account, but I don’t use it at all. I think I’ve logged in once. Are you asking permission or a technical question? If it’s technical, I’ll find out for you. Let me know
Gotcha!!!
One more~~~
difference answering by desu / desu yo the end….
is it between formal and informal thing????
よ (yo) is a sentence ending particle used to say “hey, this is new info”. It’s emphatic, and it assumes that the other party doesn’t already know the information, so you only want to use it when you know they don’t. It’s generally out of place when dealing with superiors (and out-group). It’s often described as being like the exclamation mark, but it’s more complex than that.
魚が好きですか。(sakana ga suki desu ka)
Do you like fish? (lit. “fish liked?”)
好きですよ。
I sure do! (lit. “liked!”)
Here, the first speaker isn’t confirming a suspicion, he/she is genuinely asking whether the listener likes fish. The listener knows that it is a genuine question, and so gives it that extra emphasis. It kind of says “pay attention, because this is something you don’t know”, which is where the emphasis comes to play - an attention grabber.
You can also combine よ and ね to stack the effects. In this case, ね always comes after よ (ですよね).
As the conversation becomes less formal, よ can tend to move away from the “something you don’t know” use and more toward pure emphasis.
Hi !
You’ve got a new listener from Brussels ! …
(oups … where is it again ? … ha yeah … in Europe, some miles away from London but on the continent this time ! … do you remember this strange tiny country called Belgium … yes right … the chocolate and bier country… that will reminds you of ‘Godiva’ … ! It is valentine’s day 365 days a year here)
But I am not here to talk about my country … ( by the way am I the only one from here? )
I was writing this … ’cause I would like to congratulate the team … and mainly Peter for giving so freshly his enthousiasm to us all … cast after cast … and also the rest of the team for giving them so seriously in this work … the team is great ! …
So please continue to teach us !
Peter san … Oshiete kudasai !
Virtually yours.
Philippe.
Hi Nathan San,
I would like to use the RSS feed option of Japanesepod in my friendster account.
Thanks!
Vicky-san,
오늘 정말 아름다워 보이시네요.
Oh wait, that’s not right
I wish I could properly say what I want to, but don’t worry… it’s not that hard and I’m sure you’re doing fine! Just let me know if you’re getting caught up somewhere and we’ll work it out
Philippe-san,
Welcome to the community! Good to have you with us
JP-san,
From Friendster:
Go to Friendster and click Edit Profile.
Copy the updated URL into the RSS field at the bottom of Edit Profile and click SAVE.
New updates from your blog will now be displayed on your profile.
And of course, the URL you want to use is:
http://www.japanesepod101.com/feed/rss/
Let me know if that works!
Nathan-san, 정말 한국말 할줄 알아요? ![]()
Maybe you can help me with my new job…
Vicky-san,
나로 말하면, 알고 있는 것은 단지 나는 아무것도 모른다는 사실이다.
What is your job?
Nathan-san, watashi wa graphic designer (Japanese???) desu.
But, I’m doing something else too. If I tell you, I have to kill you…..Kidding….
Well I already knew you were a graphic designer ![]()
Graphic Designer = グラフィックデザイナー (gurafikku dezainaa)
So what else are you doing? You can kill me later
Nathan-san, got msn or ichat id? There is any other way I can contact other people???
I don’t think it’s good idea talking at here…
Haha, good point… sorry commentors and comment-readers!
I have everything… how about MSN. (nathanyeldell(at)gmail(dot)com)
phew~~ i finally caught up with all the lessons!
i’ve spent the past couple of weeks just chasing the lessons from page 1. japanesepod no mina-san, hontou ni arigatou gozaimashita!! you have given me hours of fun learning. i especially enjoyed your banter among yourselves. your teaching method is just great, giving lessons on ordinary japanese-speak besides the formal ones. previously in language school, we were frustrated that after months of lessons, we could not understand what the japanese around us were saying. also, before we could get to the end of a sentence, they already knew what we were going to say! and i was so scared by all those words dressed in tuxedo!
thanks for de-mystifying all that n giving us great stuff like the magical wa!
btw, we have mos burger here in singapore too, so anyone passing by here can grab one without having to go to japan. ![]()
also, macdonald’s has come up with a similar thing called the FAN-tastic, FAN being the same sound as rice in chinese.
well, ijyou desu
Hi all,
Just a small qustion.
3 days before I made use of は twice in one sentence.
I was told that you cannot use はtwice in a single sentence.
In today`s lesson Take San said
「じつは、わたしはスポーツをみませんし、しません」in which he
used はtwice.
Can someone from our community can point out rules
regarding the use of は.
Can I use it twice in a sentence everytime or there are some
specific instances where i can and can`t.
jayさん、
when i first read about JLPT i looked up the requirements for level 1, thinking it was the easiest.
but then again its logical. levels of proficiency, the kyuu(級) are counted backwards. In Judo the beginners get 9th kyuu, the white belt, highest is 1st kyuu, brown belt, then comes 1st dan, the black belt.
如何してインフォルマル・レッスン・ノートに振り仮名が有りません
You can also combine よ and ね to stack the effects. In this case, ね always comes after よ (ですよね).
In fact, ね always comes after any other senetence ending particles (ie, の、から). With よね in particular, it has kind of a softening on よ. よ is a fairly forceful particle, and in general it’s considered rude to be so direct with someone you either don’t know well or is in a higher position like you, like a teacher or your boss. You can use ね to tone down よ a bit when よ by itself is too strong.
I was told that you cannot use はtwice in a single sentence.
In general you usually won’t have multiple はs in the same sentence, but there’s no rule against it. 実(じつ)は is a little different since the whole thing is really more like an expression by itself. From exposure, I’ve developed kind of a sense of when multiple はs work, but unfortunately this is something we never really covered in class. So I can’t give you any hard and fast rules.
I can give you an example though. This is from an autobiography we had to write for our last Japanese class where I actually use it 3 times including 実は. Translation follows:
実(じつ)は、私の心音(しんおん)のせいで、かんごふは私が生(う)まれる前(まえ)は、私が女(おんな)の子(こ)だと思(おも)っていた。
Actually, because of my heart sounds, before I was born (my Mom’s) nurse thought I was a girl.
This is a true story, btw.
And yes, I realize 看護婦(かんごふ) is an outdated term for “nurse” since it implies that the nurse is female. We learned the gender neutral version, 看護士(かんごし), later.
マービンさん
That’s exactly what I was working on yesterday! I wanted to make it before someone would point it out
. We will introduce a new form notes tomorrow. Since we got the hiragana-ban back, there are too many pages for one day, and I wanted to make it more handy. Let us know if you like it or not!
Takase
JapanesePod101に本当にありがとう! 僕はオーストラリアで、高校で日本語を勉強している。そのような会話練習は僕の日本語を手伝った!次のPod楽しみに待っているよ
夏子さん酷い…かわいそう、武也さん
Hello Jason thanks,
Thank you for taking an effort to explain the 「は」
thing.That was an intresting sentence.
Regards,
Prem
You’re very welcome.
I’m sorry I couldn’t give you a more detailed explanation other than that though. は and が are certainly interesting little particles, but the details and subtleties of what exactly they do in a sentence can be a bit difficult to understand, especially for beginners. Heck, I still sometimes have problems really wrapping my brain around them. So for the time being, I would say in general there is one は per sentence/clause, but don’t freak out if there are more. Don’t worry about the details with that too much. Yet.
I have a question…It may have been covered before. But the Japanese word for Thank you ‘Arigatou’ does it by any chance have it’s roots in the Portuguese ‘Obrigado’ I know that Japan ’shut’ itself of from the rest of the world for nearly 300 years, but it still had trade links with Portugual during that period….or be it a very limited one. I think the Portuguese were only allowed to port at Nagasaki.
It may be a stupid question. So if it is…I am sorry.
O-genki de
Steve
Steve, while I don’t know for sure, my guess is probably no. If you can find usage of it before Japan had contact with Portugal, I’d say definitely no. “Arigatou” (in kanji: 有難う) litterally means something along the lines of “you’ve gone thru hardships for me.”
Jason-san.
Thanks for the information on Arigatou in Kanji. I seem to learn something new everyday here….for example, I never knew there was a kanji for arigatou.
I only asked because of the similarity to ‘Obrigado’ It is pronounced it a similar way to Arigatou…apart from the fact that, of course, instead of ‘A’ it is ‘Ob’ and instead of ‘tou’ it is ‘do’
Steve, check out this link. It seems that the similarity is just a coincidence.
Jason-san beat me to it, but I’ll go ahead and add the link I had in mind regarding the issue.
http://no-sword.jp/blog/2006/02/sorry-portugal.html
Prem-san, I will look into finding you some guidelines tomorrow, but for now I sleep
JP101 Team,
Please check the last comment here:
http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/03/04/japanese-culture-class-9-japanese-plum-blossoms/
Also, I’m not sure if Gevorg-san saw this (last comment):
http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/03/07/beginner-lesson-43-speciality/
Now I’m really off
Jason-san and Nathan-san
Obrigado…Ooooops sorry I mean Arigatou
![]()
Those links were really helpful. The first link seems to based on the question…did Obrigado originate form arigatou…..I meant did Arigatou originate from Obrigado, I actually already knew it’s Latin root. But Anyway, it has cleared a few things up for me. I have also learnt more about Japanese and the way the language is made up from those links, So really..Thank you very much
Hi everyone,
I liked this lesson a lot, it’s so funny to hear yo guys talking (and Sakura laughing - it’s so cute and always makes me laugh, too, so I’m always in a very good mood
)
For Jay, I’ld have an idea… probably I should be the last to give advice here, as I really started like 2 weeks ago learning some japanese… but maybe you just try it:
I downloaded all the pdf files from the lessons (
I didn’t find a smart way to have them all in one go, so that takes some time, which you use to listen to other lessons
).
Then I went to David Hallgren’s great webpage (David: どうも ありがと ございます, this is really a useful thing!
) stamped the hiragana chart and did the test page. After a couple of runs, you won’t do much errors any more, and it’s really quick.
Since a couple of days, I read the pdf files while listening to the lesson, and that works just great!
I don’t know if that’s Ok, but I kind of don’t “read” all the words sign after sign, as I did the first runs. It’s as if you recognize in the pdf the words you already know “in toto” as they are spoken. It gets kind of automatic, you don’t think of every sign one by one.
I don’t know if that’s a sensible way to learn, but for me it worked just fine - new words blend rapidly in. Maybe you just try and see what happens?
On the other hand, what do you do for kanji? ? I don’t know, of course, nothing about them!
What is a good way to proceed – stop everything, learn 2000 kanji and then go on? Or do a bit of kanji everyday? Or are there a couple (100, 200, 500???) you really should know and study first, and then do the others by and by? How do you study? Is there a trick for the pronunciation, I mean can it be inferred from something? (Don’t laugh
, Ok, you are probably LOL by now…)
THANX for any help. I promise, as I learn more, I will ask less dumb questions in the future… the very far future, that is.
Saluti to everyone ![]()
さるち, now that’s a nice new word for you japanese-speakers, huh??
Hello Nathan San,
Yup I wil be waiting for your reply.
But really I think, the whole Japanese
language revolves around this letters only…
「は」、「に」、「を」、「で」…and they find
so many usages that more you dig about
these the more they get intresting….
Prem
Penelope-san: I don̈́’t think we had time to answer your mail, so sorry about that. If I remember correctly, you asked about learning kanji there too. I’ll answer here instead.
This is based on my own experiences, so other methods could work better for you. Learning methodology is partly an individual thing.
Learn kanji as you go. For the first 6-12 months of studying, about 15-20 kanji per week should be good(Reading and writing). Af ter that, learn how to write about 25-30 per week, and around 50 for reading. You will notice that the more you learn, the easier the learning will get. Many kanji also has similar parts, that can hint towards their on-yomi reading. That is, their “chinese” reading.
The most important thing is to do it at your own pace. And go back and repeat! Repetition is key when it comes to remembering stuff. Interval repetition works very well. This means to study a lot in the beginning, and then repeat with longer and longer intervals.
If you on top of this is able to practice what you learn in real-life situations, like writing a letter etc, learning 2000 kanji should go really smooth!
Hope this helps
Jonas
Jonas-san “n̈́’t.” How cool is THAT ‘n’? haha.
Penelope-san! thanks for you advice ![]()
Kanji is a tricky question. Any one in the business of teaching will tell you there is no one way that is right for everyone.
You have aural learners, who associate sounds to ideas/concepts easily. Visual learners, who do the same with images. Kinesthetic learners you need to ‘do’ things to learn them, or even associate things like tastes or smells to ideas or concepts.
You will find most people with AWESOME memory will remember things using a trick that combines all of these things. Stories. There are people out there who can memorise the order of 35 decks of cards shuffled together after ONE viewing with 100% accuracy (this is the world record so far). That is1800+ cards in a sequence. How do they do it? Stories. Each card is an object. (The 2 of spades may be small clock with both hands stuck on 2.) Then he imagines a house. Somewhere he has constructed in his mind. (his house has hundreds of rooms). As the cards come down, he imagines walking through this house, looking in all the rooms and seeing and hearing the interactions between all the card objects as they are shown. Basically a huge story.. Then to remember he just starts at the beginning of the story and as he walks through he just recalls what he sees/hears.
how does this relate to kanji? This is my heisig method review do far.
http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publications/miscPublications/Remembering_the_Kanji_1.htm
(the legal demo pdf is at the bottom of that page , tiny little “download” link)
For me, the story method is working beautifully. However, so far I am only learning the MEANINGS of the kanji (heisig method). after learning 170 kanji in 3 nights, I was really busy/tired after work, and had to leave it for about 4 days. When I came back I decided to review them all (I have a program that has the heisig lessons built in and can randomly quiz you
). I was at 97% recognition. That means there were only 5 or 6 out of 170 that I couldn’t recall properly. Also, and this is important, I was recalling them from the meaning only. That is, the word was shown, ie, “specialty”. and I had to write down the kanji. This is important because it means i wasn’t just using the visual clues of the kanji, i
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