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๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜ž ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜  ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜œ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜‡ ๐Ÿ˜ด ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ โค๏ธ๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘

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April 15th, 2011 at 06:30 PM
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ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ€
Can you make some sentences using the words you learned in this video?

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November 19th, 2014 at 06:48 PM
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ใ‚ซใƒŸใƒฉใ•ใ‚“ใ€

ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚:smile:

Very good question!

If we say only ๅ‹้”ใŒใƒ†ใƒ‹ใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚, this means ๅ‹้” is "my friend".

We can omit the obvious information in Japanese, right? So, the fact we say "friend"

without specifying "whose" friend, it usually means "my friend(s)".

However, in this case, the people who are playing tennis are friend to each other

and it has nothing to do with your relation to those people.

In order to say those players are friends (to each other), we use the word ๅŒๅฃซ

which means the people involved are in the same position, same job or have same title.

Hope this helps!


Oh, and ใŠใ‹ใ’ใ•ใพใงใ€ๅญฆในใพใ™ใ€‚ sounds better. What exactly did you want to say by this line?


Natsuko (ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญ),

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ใ‚ซใƒŸใƒฉ
November 16th, 2014 at 08:43 PM
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏ็š†(mina)ใ•ใ‚“ใ€

ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚

ๅ‹้”ๅŒๅฃซใŒใƒ†ใƒ‹ใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚

ๅ‹้”= friend

ๅŒๅฃซ= companion

I would like to know why both are necessary. Why isn't this redundant?


ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใŠใƒผใ‹ใ’ใ•ใพใง,ๅญฆ(mana)ใณใพใ™ใ€‚

(ใ€€ใ ใ„ใ˜ใ‚‡ใถใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚๏ผ‰

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February 1st, 2014 at 01:53 PM
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ใ‚ฐใ‚คใƒ‰ใ•ใ‚“ใ€

ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚


There are mainly three words to mean "friend(s)": ๅ‹้”ใ€ๅ‹ใ€ๅ‹ไบบ

I'd say ๅ‹้” is the most commonly used in daily conversations and written languages.

ๅ‹ is not necessarily informal. It'd rather sound formal or more "written" or "old Japanese like".

This word ๅ‹ is usually used in special ways, like just to call someone "my friend" ๅ‹ใ‚ˆ (with

the particle ใ‚ˆ) or "friend of/from something" (๏ฝžใฎๅ‹).

There's no connotation of singular or plural.


When you introduce someone as your friend, you'd say ๅ‹้”ใงใ™ not ๅ‹ใงใ™

In formal occasions, it can be also ๅ‹ไบบใงใ™:smile:


Natsuko (ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญ),

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Guido
February 1st, 2014 at 10:29 AM
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ใ“ใ‚“ใฐใ‚“ใฏใ€‚

After looking at the videos and comparing to the words I've seen in an anime, I was wondering:


At first, I thought that "ๅ‹้”"* (tomodachi) meant "friend".


Then I noticed in the anime was often used "ๅ‹" (tomo)...given the subtitle and the context, I got that it probably had the same meaning, which was confirmed on the dictionary...however...since most dialogues use the informal form (never heard the polite "masu" form), I thought, at first, it could be a "formal vs. informal" difference...


...so "ๅ‹้”" = friend (formal) and "ๅ‹" = friend (informal).


However...on the videos I've noticed the addition of "dachi" to other names and at first I couldn't find the meaning

of "dachi"...so, since I've noticed that things that I couldn't find on dictionary seem to be either a verb declination or an on yomi of a Kanji, I've looked for the "tomodachi" Kanji, I've split it...and then I've found that "้”" means "plural" and "dachi" is its on yomi...


...so I was wondering:


Does really "ๅ‹้”" mean "friend" or, instead, it means "friends"?


And, if it's the latter, it is proper to use "ๅ‹" for one friend in both formal and informal speech?


...and could be freely used or works very specific names (like "ๅ‹")?


For example, could I use "ไบบ" and "้”" to say "persons"? :-?


ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚


Guido


* = I wrote it in Kanji because I understand it's usually written in Kanji...I hope I didn't make mistakes with the keyboard, but those two characters seem the right ones... :-|

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September 10th, 2013 at 11:44 PM
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Sean-san,

you're welcome! Glad I could help :smile:

I know; dictionaries often give you just a list of possibilities.


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Sean
August 26th, 2013 at 06:41 AM
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Thanks Natsuko,


The dictionary I have gives the meaning: fellow, mutual, comrade, companion, bonding - which is not so useful to understand it's common usage.


Thanks again.

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August 21st, 2013 at 09:34 PM
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Sean-san,

very good question!

The word ๅŒๅฃซ can be added to nouns of relation, position, etc. when two or more people

share the same status. So, when you say ๅ‹้”, it can mean someone is a friend of someone, and/or

some people are frineds, while ๅ‹้”ๅŒๅฃซ emphasise that two or more people are friends "to each other".:wink:

This ๅŒๅฃซ can be used also in a sentence like;

ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹่€…ๅŒๅฃซใ€ๅŠฉใ‘ๅˆใ„ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚

= Let's help each other amongst learners who study Japanese.


You might find it interesting what kanjis for ๅŒๅฃซ literally mean:wink:


Natsuko(ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญ),

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Sean
August 20th, 2013 at 08:15 PM
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Can you explain the difference/use between ๅ‹้” (tomodachi) and ๅ‹้”ๅŒๅฃซ (tomodachi doushi)? I asked my Japanese wife and kids (who go to Japanese school), but they could only vaguely explain that ๅ‹้”ๅŒๅฃซ is a colloquialism meaning friends, but could not explain how to use it compared to ๅ‹้”.

Thanks