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๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜ž ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜  ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜œ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜‡ ๐Ÿ˜ด ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ โค๏ธ๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘

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ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็พŽๆจนใฎใƒ–ใƒญใ‚ฐใงใ™ใ€‚ ๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎใ‚นใƒ‘ใ‚คใ€ๅฟ่€…ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸๅฟ่€…ใฏๅคงๅใ‚„้ ˜ไธปใซไป•ใˆใ€ๅฝฑใงๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎๆญดๅฒใ‚’ไฝœใฃใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ๅฟ่€…ใฏๅคœใฎ้—‡ใซ็ด›ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ้ป’ใ‚„็ดบ่‰ฒใฎ่กฃ่ฃ…ใ‚’็€ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ—ใฆๆง˜ใ€…ใชๆญฆๅ™จใ‚’ๆŒใกใ€ๆฐดใฎไธŠใ‚’ใ‚‚ๆญฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆŠ€ใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‚‚ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฟ่€…ใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸๅฟ่€…ๅฑ‹ๆ•ทใฏ็พๅœจใ€่ฆ‹ๅญฆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ใŸใ ใฎๅฃใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใŒๅฎŸใฏๆ‰‰ใงใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€่ฝใจใ—็ฉดใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚Šใจใ€ๆ•ตใ‹ใ‚‰่บซใ‚’ๅฎˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ๅฟ่€…ใŒไธญๅฟƒ็š„ใซๆดปๅ‹•ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใฏไธ‰้‡็œŒใจๆป‹่ณ€็œŒใงใ€ๅฟ่€…ๅฑ‹ๆ•ทใ‚‚ใ“ใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆฑไบฌใงใ‚‚ๅฟ่€…ใฎ้›ฐๅ›ฒๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ‘ณใ‚ใˆใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚่ตคๅ‚ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฟ่€…ๅฑ‹ๆ•ทใ‚’ใ‚คใƒกใƒผใ‚ธใ—ใŸใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใงใฏๅบ—ๅ“กใฏๅฟ่€…ใฎๆ ผๅฅฝใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ๅบ—ใฎไธญใฏ่ฟท่ทฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใฆใพใ‚‹ใงๅฟ่€…ๅฑ‹ๆ•ทใงใ™ใ€‚ๆ–™็†ใฏๅฟ่€…ใ‚’ใ‚คใƒกใƒผใ‚ธใ—ใŸๆ—ฅๆœฌ้ฃŸใŒๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚ๅฟ่€…ใฎใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚‚่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใจใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚ฏใฎไธกๆ–นใ‚’ไธ€ๆฐ—ใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‚ใฆใŠๅพ—ใงใ™ใญ๏ผ ๅฟ่€…ใŒๆดป่บใ—ใŸใฎใฏ้ŽŒๅ€‰ๆ™‚ไปฃใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฑŸๆˆธๆ™‚ไปฃใซใ‹ใ‘ใฆใชใฎใงใ€็พๅœจใ€็”บไธญใงๅฟ่€…ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ณใ‚นใƒ—ใƒฌใฎ่ก—ใงใ‚ใ‚‹็ง‹่‘‰ๅŽŸใใ‚‰ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๆ™‚ไปฃใฎๅค‰ๅŒ–ใซๅˆใ‚ใ›ใฆๅฟ่€…ใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ‚‚ไธๆ€่ญฐใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‚ˆใญใ€‚ๆ—ฅๆœฌใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใ‚‹้ป’ใ„ใ‚นใƒผใƒ„ใ‚’็€ใŸใ‚ตใƒฉใƒชใƒผใƒžใƒณใฎไธญใซใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใฆไฝ•ไบบใ‹ๅฟ่€…ใŒ้š ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆ๏ผๆฐ—ใ‚’ใคใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„๏ผ ใใ‚ŒใงใฏใพใŸๆฅ้€ฑ๏ผ

December 24th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
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Becci ใ•ใ‚“ใ€
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏ๏ผ :smile:
Iโ€™m very sorry for the super late replyโ€ฆ :disappointed:

And, thank you very much for the clarification!
๏ฝžใŸใ‚Š๏ฝžใŸใ‚Š is what you use when you name some examples out of several.
It means there are more factors why you felt ๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸ in that sentence.
When you name the examples using ๏ฝž๏ผˆใ ๏ผ‰ใ—๏ฝž๏ผˆใ ใ—๏ผ‰, it gives a sense of
‘besides’, ‘furthermore’ and/or ‘in addition to’. We might use ๏ฝžใ—๏ฝžใ— to express
more of our excitement in this case, because we would choose the best part of experience
as examples.

Not that I deny anything Yuki wrote, considering grammar structure and consistency
in one sentence, I would recommend sentences like:
ๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ„้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใฏ้ข็™ฝใ‹ใฃใŸใ—ใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ—ใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
The part ๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸ only describes what you did (one of the things you
did/enjoyed) whilst ้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸ describes what you thought about their food.
In other words, these two clauses have different types of description.
Just like any language has, Japanese language also has the basic rule about
consistency of same nature in certain grammar structures.
(i.e. You don’t say in English something like ‘this restaurant is big and I want delicious meal’.)

Hope this helps!

Natsuko (ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญ),
Team JapanesePod101.com

Becci
November 9th, 2016 at 5:49 pm
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ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญใ•ใ‚“, I think that I didn’t explain my question very well :flushed:

In response to my comment below, Yuki-san wrote the following two sentences:
ใ€Œๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ใ€
ใ€Œๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ—ใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ—ใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ใ€

In the first sentence Yuki-san used “่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Š” and in the second sentence “่ฆ‹ใŸใ—”. I was wondering what the difference was?

ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™

November 7th, 2016 at 9:49 pm
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Becci ใ•ใ‚“ใ€
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ :smile:

็พไปฃใฎๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใงใฏใ€ใ€Œ๏ฝžใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ‚„ใ€Œ๏ฝž๏ผˆใ ๏ผ‰ใ—ใ€ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅฝขใฏไฝฟใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
ใ€Œ๏ฝžใ‚Šใ€ใ‚„ใ€Œ๏ฝžใ—ใ€ใจใ„ใ†่กจ็พใฏไฝฟใ‚ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€Becciใ•ใ‚“ใŒ่ณชๅ•ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹
ใ€Œ๏ฝžใ‚Šใ€ใจใ€Œ๏ฝžใ—ใ€ใฎไฝฟใ„ๅˆ†ใ‘ใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏใฉใ†ใ„ใ†่กจ็พใฎใ“ใจใ‚’
ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ไพ‹ๆ–‡ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
In contemporary Japanese, we do not use ‘….ri’ or ‘….shi’ unless it’s a part of
conjunction words or phrases such as ‘…tari’ and ‘…(da)shi’.
I’m not very sure what you want to know and why those two are confusing for you.
Have you got any example sentences?

Natsuko (ๅฅˆๆดฅๅญ),
Team JapanesePod101.com

Becci
October 4th, 2016 at 5:15 pm
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ๆๆกˆใฏใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ€Œใชใซใชใซใ‚Šใ€ใจใ€Œใชใซใชใซใ—ใ€ใฏใ€้•ใ„ใŒใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใŒใ€‚ใ„ใคใ‹ใ€Œใ‚Šใ€ใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ‹ใ€ใ„ใคใ‹ใ€Œใ—ใ€ใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ‹ใ€ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹ใ€€ :flushed:

Thanks for the suggestions! I don’t think I really understanding the difference between using “…ใ‚Š” and “…ใ—”. Could you please tell me when its best to use “…ใ‚Š” and when its best to use “…ใ—”?

ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†๏ผ

October 3rd, 2016 at 5:42 pm
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Becciใ•ใ‚“ใ€
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
ๆฅฝใ—ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ :smile:
ๆๆกˆใงใ™ใ€‚ไปฅไธ‹ใฎใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๆ–‡ใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใ€Œๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ใ€
ใ€Œๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ—ใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ—ใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ใ€
Yuki ็”ฑ็ด€
Team JapanesePod101.com

Becci
September 30th, 2016 at 5:36 pm
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ไบฌ้ƒฝใงๅฟ่€…ใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใซ่กŒใฃใŸใ“ใจใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ๅฟ่€…ใƒžใ‚ธใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใปใ‚“ใจใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ :sunglasses:

May 15th, 2014 at 9:21 am
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mark san,

atte is te-form of arimasu and attari si ta-form of arimasu.
Tari indicates listing examples and there is something more.
Te works joining clauses and doesnโ€™t indicates something else.

Yuki ็”ฑ็ด€
Team JapanesePod101.com

mark
May 12th, 2014 at 9:14 am
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Thanks for your help back there with lesson 86 and here today I have a problem fully understanding when to use attari and atte.. Miki says in lesson 104: tobira de attari, otoshi ana ga attari to. In the next lesson 105 Miki says: takusan biru ga atte, asakusa no you na machi ga atte. When do we use attari and when do we use atte?
Yours,

Mark

Jennifer
November 14th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
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ใ‚ใฃ็งใฏไบ€ๅฟ่€…ใ—ใ‹ใฟใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใงใ™ :hachimaki:

Jennifer
November 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
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ไฝ•ๆ™‚ใ‚‚้ข็™ฝใ„ใƒ–ใƒญใƒผใ‚ฐใ‚’่žใ‹ใ›ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใๆœ‰้›ฃใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™๏ผ

ๆœ‰ใ‚‹้ƒจๅˆ†ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใจๆ„ๅ‘ณๅˆ†ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚

ๆ‰‹่ฃๅ‰ฃใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใซใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใŒใงใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
ใ€Œใ—ใ‚…ใ†ใฃใจใ•ใฃใจๆŠ•ใ’ใ‚‹ใ€
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