Comments on: Upper Intermediate Lesson S4 #14 - I Made a Mistake While Speaking Japanese, So I Need to Save Face! http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/ Learn Japanese with Daily Podcasts from Tokyo Whether you are Japan-bound or a seasoned speaker, our lessons offer something for everyone. We incorporate culture and current issues into each episode to give the most informative, both linguistically and culturally, podcasts possible. For those of you with just the plane ride to prepare, check our survival phrase series at Japanesepod101.com. One of these phrases just might turn your trip into the best one ever! Yoroshiku O-negai Shimasu! Wed, 23 May 2012 17:06:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: David Whitehouse http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-578070 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:41:17 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-578070 Hello ! I enjoyed the lesson but I wish there was more grammar ! I failed JLPT 2 last time and I know I need to learn many more grammar patterns to have any chance this year. Having words with 'kao' is not really a grammar point I'm afraid - it's just a convenient way to learn some vocabulary ! Keep up the good work! David Hello !

I enjoyed the lesson but I wish there was more grammar !

I failed JLPT 2 last time and I know I need to learn many more grammar patterns to have any chance this year.

Having words with ‘kao’ is not really a grammar point I’m afraid - it’s just a convenient way to learn some vocabulary !

Keep up the good work! David

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-577495 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:43:57 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-577495 タネ-san ありがとうございます！Thank you for the comment. 英語の勉強になりました！:razz: 日本語でも、ポーカーフェイスは時々使います。:grin: In Japanese, we also say pookaa feisu. For example, kare wa itsumo pookaa feisu da. "He always puts on his poker face." タネ-san
ありがとうございます！Thank you for the comment.
英語の勉強になりました！ :razz:
日本語でも、ポーカーフェイスは時々使います。 :grin:
In Japanese, we also say pookaa feisu.
For example, kare wa itsumo pookaa feisu da. “He always puts on his poker face.”

]]> by: タネ http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-577468 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:49:29 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-577468 In English... not exactly an idiom, but there is the expression "poker face", which means not showing any facial expression at all. It comes from the card game, Poker, which involves betting on the hand you have. You don't want others to guess how good or bad your hand is. You can use this expression outside the context of Poker. "He was poker-faced throughout the trial," for example. In English… not exactly an idiom, but there is the expression “poker face”, which means not showing any facial expression at all. It comes from the card game, Poker, which involves betting on the hand you have. You don’t want others to guess how good or bad your hand is. You can use this expression outside the context of Poker.
“He was poker-faced throughout the trial,” for example.

]]> by: alejandro http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-576106 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:58:12 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-576106 相変わらずすばらしくてわかりやすい説明してくれました. that-s just the explanation i requested. thx 相変わらずすばらしくてわかりやすい説明してくれました.

that-s just the explanation i requested. thx

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575958 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:45:26 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575958 Robert-san Yes.It's a correct sentence. If you write じん in Kanji　like 人, it will be perfect.:wink: Robert-san
Yes.It’s a correct sentence.
If you write じん in Kanji　like 人, it will be perfect. :wink:

]]> by: Robert http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575956 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:39:00 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575956 I once wrote a followup letter to a Japanese person who had been my guide, and it went something like this: 私は二年前にお世話になったアメリカじんです。 Did I use osewa ni naru correctly in that sentence? I once wrote a followup letter to a Japanese person who had been my guide, and it went something like this:

私は二年前にお世話になったアメリカじんです。

Did I use osewa ni naru correctly in that sentence?

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575952 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:19:40 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575952 alejandro-san Actually it's a really good question! ●世話になる[ sewa ni naru] ＝　to be taken into care(by someone), to be indebted to.. ●世話(を)する[ sewa (o) suru] ＝ to take care of (someone), to do assistance(literal translation) As you can see from the translation, "sewa ni naru" has somewhat passive nuance. So the sentence structure is [subjetc] wa/ga [someone] ni sewa ni naru. =[Subject] is indebted to [someone] This "ni" often replaced with "no". ex) 犬　は/が　ハナコ　に/の　世話になる。 The dog is taken into care by Hanako.(=Hanako helps the dog.) I think "sewa o suru" is not that hard. [Subject] wa [someone] no sewa o suru. =[Subject] takes care of [someone] (literal translation; [subject] do [someone]'s assistance.=subject helps someone) ex)　ハナコは　犬の　世話をする。 Hanako takes care of the dog. I hope this helps.:wink: alejandro-san
Actually it’s a really good question!

●世話になる[ sewa ni naru]
＝　to be taken into care(by someone), to be indebted to..
●世話(を)する[ sewa (o) suru]
＝ to take care of (someone), to do assistance(literal translation)

As you can see from the translation, “sewa ni naru” has somewhat passive nuance. So the sentence structure is
[subjetc] wa/ga [someone] ni sewa ni naru.
=[Subject] is indebted to [someone]
This “ni” often replaced with “no”.
ex) 犬　は/が　ハナコ　に/の　世話になる。
The dog is taken into care by Hanako.(=Hanako helps the dog.)

I think “sewa o suru” is not that hard.
[Subject] wa [someone] no sewa o suru.
=[Subject] takes care of [someone]
(literal translation; [subject] do [someone]’s assistance.=subject helps someone)
ex)　ハナコは　犬の　世話をする。
Hanako takes care of the dog.

I hope this helps. :wink:

]]> by: alejandro http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575866 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:40:18 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575866 :oops:　what i mean is how do you distinguished who-s been taken care of and who took care of the other person, whether you use osewa ni naru or osewa o suru :oops: 　what i mean is how do you distinguished who-s been taken care of and who took care of the other person, whether you use osewa ni naru or osewa o suru

]]> by: alejandro http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575864 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:30:55 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575864 im confused trying to figure out the meaning of: 　 神田さんがお世話になった im confused trying to figure out the meaning of:
　
神田さんがお世話になった

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575742 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:33:40 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575742 Jason-san gain face＝「面目（めんもく）をたもつ」 lose face=「面目をうしなう」 :grin: Jason-san
gain face＝「面目（めんもく）をたもつ」
lose face=「面目をうしなう」
:grin:

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575738 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:19:09 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575738 Robert-san どちらの助詞でもいいと思います。:grin: 「お客さん（のなか）に」ということなので、英語のamong my important clientsで全く問題ないと思います。:wink: Robert-san
どちらの助詞でもいいと思います。 :grin:
「お客さん（のなか）に」ということなので、英語のamong my important clientsで全く問題ないと思います。 :wink:

]]> by: Jason http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575691 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:20:34 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575691 So if 顔が立つ means to 'save face', how do you say 'gain face' and 'lose face'? So if 顔が立つ means to ’save face’, how do you say ‘gain face’ and ‘lose face’?

]]> by: Robert http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575690 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:00:54 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575690 会話に「俺の大事なお客さん＊に＊」という文章は "(among) my important clients" の翻訳があれのです。私は「俺の大事なお客さん＊で＊」という文章の方が良かったと思いましたのに、どちらの助詞でも良いでしょうか？ 会話に「俺の大事なお客さん＊に＊」という文章は “(among) my important clients” の翻訳があれのです。私は「俺の大事なお客さん＊で＊」という文章の方が良かったと思いましたのに、どちらの助詞でも良いでしょうか？

]]> by: Kiki http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575423 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:56:12 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575423 Naomi-sensei omg I totally thought it was something like that! Being interested in music from different languages at a young age DOES help! . That song helped me remember the word daikirai. Naomi-sensei

omg I totally thought it was something like that! Being interested in music from different languages at a young age DOES help! . That song helped me remember the word daikirai.

]]> by: Naomi http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575412 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:25:34 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2010/07/20/upper-intermediate-lesson-s4-14-i-made-a-mistake-while-speaking-japanese-so-i-need-to-save-face/#comment-575412 Kiki -san I think that musician would be スガシカオ. He's a well known singer.:wink: Kiki -san
I think that musician would be スガシカオ. He’s a well known singer. :wink:

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