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August 23rd, 2007 | help Need help?

Learn Japanese at JapanesePod101.com! At school there are always a few students who don’t fit in. A good teacher worries about these students and tries to help them succeed. In today’s lesson we have a familiar situation. It’s a bit of a serious lesson, so time to be majime and study hard! Today’s lesson reviews kuse ni and introduces a very advanced grammar point (we’re talking JLPT1 here), ja arumai shi. After listening, stop by JapanesePod101.com and be sure to leave us a post!

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Voice Actors: Take, Ushijima | Hosts: Peter, Natsuko, Naomi
Category: Lower Intermediate Lessons |
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31 Responses to “Lower Intermediate Lesson #38 - Problem Child”

avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

Mina-san,

We planted a kanji joke in this dialog.  Can anyone spot it?

avatar doraemon says:

Yay! More advanced grammar please :mrgreen:

It´s good not to forget intermediate students!

Thanks a bunch :razz:

avatar markystar says:

doraemonさん、we’ve got some good advanced grammar coming down the pipe over the next weeks. so hope it’s good for you! :mrgreen:

marky

avatar Alain says:

The kuse ni grammar point is very interesting.

Can you upload the Dialog to the Premium feed?
Thank you.

avatar Chris (KC8UFV) says:

Is it just me, or is the dialog file exactly the same as the regular file today?

avatar maxiewawa says:

Eeee I absolutely hate those 4 character sayings. In Chinese we call them 成语. Some people think they make you sound more educated, I dont like them at all. Often when someone tries to explain you something in Chinese, if they can’t do a good job of it, they’ll pull one of these 成语 out and say ‘well it’s kinda like that’ and not explain it at all.

The only ‘kanji joke’ I can get is the relation between ‘entering’ (入) his circle of friends, and not displaying/bringing out (出) his emotions.

間違ったくせに?まさか!

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

Never mind, seems to be working now

avatar Javizy says:

Good to hear more Japanese in these lessons, and I agree, keep the grammar coming. It seems to open windows that I didn’t know were there. I recently learnt the 訳がない construction from an intermediate lesson, and I’ve heard it so many times since it’s like ‘how did I get by without it?’.

avatar mieth says:

there is an issue with the lesson on the website. It won’t stream.

avatar Charley says:

What does it mean “antileech protected”?

avatar Eran says:

Mina-san,

We just got word from our media host provider that at about 2:30 EST on Thursday, Aug 23, there was a momentary DNS misconfiguration that may have caused some users to be unable to access media files hosted on their servers (i.e. our audio). The situation was recognized and resolved immediately, but due to the nature of the DNS system, some users have cached the incorrect data, either on their computer, or on the ISP DNS servers. As with everything DNS related, the caches will time out, and the correct data will be received, and we’ve been told the maximum time this will take is 24 hours. (It’s usually much shorter, however) In the meantime, a potential remedy for end users is a reboot of their computer to hopefully flush that local cache. We apologize for any downtime.

- Eran

avatar bakaneko says:

My favorite yojijukugo: 有前無後,打死罷就。 :mrgreen:

avatar Victoria says:

Maikaiwa to bunten no lesson arigatou gozaimashita! Jp101 no sugoku lesson wo kiite koto kara, nihongo no SAT de yoku dekite kanji ga arimasu! Kyou “jya arumai shi” wo tsukutte yatte mitai ne~

avatar markystar says:

nobody found our kanji joke…. yet :wink:

marky

avatar クリストファー (KC8UFV) says:

Erinさん

Is that AM or PM? OR, what time UTC?

avatar Eran says:

That would be 2:30PM EST. - Eran

avatar maxiewawa says:

So it’s not 出/入?

avatar JockZon (JZ) says:

I can’t find the joke either. I don’t really know what to look for :roll:

avatar JapanesePod101.com says:

well, it’s not a particularly funny one but…
here’s a hint: compare the audio to the transcript :wink:

marky

avatar Alain says:

湾曲 【わんきょく】 twist (vs ) ?

avatar Shungen says:

hey JPOD101

I had problems downloading this episode…it failed yesterday so I tried today, and it still doesn’t work…

I am so eager to get stuck in for the lesson….

avatar Eran says:

Shungen-san,

If you scroll up about 10 comments, you’ll see a comment I made yesterday regarding this issue.

Sorry for the inconvenience and and thanks for your support.

- Eran

avatar Charley says:

In Georgia, I’m still getting this inability to download the audio, both for the 23rd’s lesson and the 24th’s. Is there nothing one can do?

avatar Eran says:

Hi Charley-san,

I am terribly sorry to hear that you still can’t access audio. It is possible, but rare, that DNS cache can be stored for upwards of 72 hours. Having said that, there is something you can do that should solve the problem:

1) Using your favorite text editor, open your system’s hosts file (c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\ on Windows XP and /etc on Max OS X)

2) Add the following 3 lines to the bottom of the file:

216.246.5.5 media.libsyn.com
38.100.193.81 media.libsyn.com
205.234.175.175 cache.libsyn.com

This should fix the issue.

- Eran

avatar Bob1 says:

It was indeed a challenge to search for it, but I believe that Alain spotted it correctly. The word in the vocabulary was 婉曲 (enkyoku) for euphemism or circumlocution, but the speaker said 湾曲 (wankyoku), meaning twist, bend or crook. But this makes sense to me meaning-wise, since circumlocution simply means a circuitous (twisting) way of saying something. Would it be fair to say that either word used in this context would have nearly the same meaning?

avatar Scott Curry says:

Does any of the JPod crew have kids?

avatar Sindy says:

Scott Curry-san! :wink:

I don’t have kids, I’m 23 years old, single and enjoying NYC! :cool: :wink:

BTW Mina-san thank you for asking me if I’m a guy or gal :???: :shock: I made a mistake and in the JP101 listeners photos in my picture it should say gals, I make a mistake and click on guys :oops: nobody is perfect. :lol: :mrgreen: S_R_C

avatar markystar says:

bob1さん & alainさん、you guys are correct!! that is awesome! :shock: i’m very, very impressed. as for the nuance, i’ll defer to naomi先生.

marky

avatar Naomi says:

Alain-san and Bob 1-san

Both婉曲enkyoku and湾曲wankyoku are big words and their meanings are pretty similar. But 婉曲enkyoku is more abstract. 婉曲表現Enkyoku hyougen (hyougen/ expression) is translated as euphemistic expression or circumlocution. Whereas 湾曲wankyoku is used to describe something more concrete. 湾曲した鼻Wankyoku shita hana (curved nose).
I think 婉曲enkyoku is used for something you CAN NOT actually see and 湾曲wankyoku is used for something you CAN actually see.
The reason Take, the voice actor, read it wrong is they have similar meanings and pronunciation. Quite a few people confuse these two words easily. :oops:

Naomi

avatar Phil says:

Hi all, sorry to be out of date getting to this lesson but I’m trying hard to catch up! (and I’m almost there now!) Some of the vocab in this lesson was rather over my head, it was a pretty difficult lesson for a lower intermediate!

Could someone tell me what “ikkō ni” means please?

Thanks!

avatar Jean-Michel says:

Hi Phil, as I understand, 一向に employed with a negative verb means: (not) at all, absolutely not.
Here the sentence is incomplete but we can guess the 先生 means : no success at all.

BTW I do not catch さめている at the beginning of the dialog, nor 当てても in the middle. Any hint? Thanks.

In the romaji transcript, is “o-yago-san” correct? It seems to me that it should be hyphenated as oyago-san since the first kanji is oya = parent(s) [i.e. the o is not honorific prefix here].

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