Comments on: Intermediate Lesson #39 - My Tokyo Traveblogue - Day 4 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/ Learn Japanese with Daily Podcasts from Tokyo Whether you are Japan-bound or a seasoned speaker, our lessons offer something for everyone. We incorporate culture and current issues into each episode to give the most informative, both linguistically and culturally, podcasts possible. For those of you with just the plane ride to prepare, check our survival phrase series at Japanesepod101.com. One of these phrases just might turn your trip into the best one ever! Yoroshiku O-negai Shimasu! Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:15:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: ミシェル http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-39214 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:48:43 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-39214 To follow up on what Mark said, 「ところ」 generally has a less physical meaning than 「部屋」, which typically refers to a physical place. Input 「私のところ」 or 「私の所」 into alc.co.jp, and you'll see what I mean. For example, 「私の所に来て宿題をする」 means "come over to my place and do homework." But 「私のところに見知らぬ人から電話があった」 means "I received a call from a stranger." In this sentence, 「ところ」 could mean one's residence, or it could also mean one's person. Likewise, in 「私のところにCCしてくれる？」 meaning "can you CC it to me?" 「ところ」 doesn't really refer to a physical place--but rather one's self. On a side note, if you look at the word 「部屋」, you'll notice that it's composed of 屋 (おく or や)--which by itself means house, or more generally a place where people live--and 部 (ぶ)--which means a division or a section. Therefore, a "section of a place where people live" could very well be a room or an apartment or whatever. Today, 「家」 is used for "house," whereas, 「屋」 is most often used as a suffix for stores: うどん屋、花屋、本屋、 etc. (or for names of inns, 「松本屋」 and so on). そのくらいはどうですか？ To follow up on what Mark said, 「ところ」 generally has a less physical meaning than 「部屋」, which typically refers to a physical place. Input 「私のところ」 or 「私の所」 into alc.co.jp, and you’ll see what I mean.

For example, 「私の所に来て宿題をする」 means “come over to my place and do homework.” But 「私のところに見知らぬ人から電話があった」 means “I received a call from a stranger.” In this sentence, 「ところ」 could mean one’s residence, or it could also mean one’s person. Likewise, in 「私のところにCCしてくれる？」 meaning “can you CC it to me?” 「ところ」 doesn’t really refer to a physical place–but rather one’s self.

On a side note, if you look at the word 「部屋」, you’ll notice that it’s composed of 屋 (おく or や)–which by itself means house, or more generally a place where people live–and 部 (ぶ)–which means a division or a section. Therefore, a “section of a place where people live” could very well be a room or an apartment or whatever. Today, 「家」 is used for “house,” whereas, 「屋」 is most often used as a suffix for stores: うどん屋、花屋、本屋、 etc. (or for names of inns, 「松本屋」 and so on).

そのくらいはどうですか？

]]> by: Mark http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-33872 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:40:43 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-33872 To maxiewawa, I think you are right when you say that 所 and 部屋　are being used interchangeably. I liken this to the English use of "place", as in "you have a nice place" instead of "you have a nice apartment/house" 部屋　does mean room but it appears that it can also mean apartment. I found this example in the Breen Dicionary which shows it being used to mean apartment: 私の部屋は４階にあります。 [T] My apartment is on the fourth floor. (Sense 1) mrl To maxiewawa,
I think you are right when you say that 所 and 部屋　are being used interchangeably. I liken this to the English use of “place”, as in “you have a nice place” instead of “you have a nice apartment/house”

部屋　does mean room but it appears that it can also mean apartment. I found this example in the Breen Dicionary which shows it being used to mean apartment:

私の部屋は４階にあります。 [T]
My apartment is on the fourth floor. (Sense 1)

mrl

]]> by: Sindy http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-33217 Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:00:33 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-33217 Hi Mina-san:wink: Great intermediate lesson!:cool: Stan-san *screaming* ahhhhh I don't like big flying cockroaches! Cockroaches specially the big ones get me very scare and nervous, I don't like them so now you know my weakness. This animal is the only one I'm afraid for the other ones I like them specially spiders YES!:mrgreen: S_R_C Hi Mina-san :wink:

Great intermediate lesson! :cool: Stan-san *screaming* ahhhhh I don’t like big flying cockroaches! Cockroaches specially the big ones get me very scare and nervous, I don’t like them so now you know my weakness. This animal is the only one I’m afraid for the other ones I like them specially spiders YES! :mrgreen: S_R_C

]]> by: maxiewawa http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-32652 Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:44:31 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-32652 部屋　comes up in Rikaichan as 'room'. '所’ seems to be 'place'. But in the dialogue, they seem to be used intechangeably. Is Murakami looking for a 'room' or a 'place'? In my experience, a 'room' is only part of a 'place'. An 'apartment'/apaato would contain several 'rooms'. She'd only be looking for a 'room' if she was moving in with some other people. So what exactly is a room, a place and an apartment? I'm looking for definitions of the definitions, if you know what I mean. 部屋　comes up in Rikaichan as ‘room’. ‘所’ seems to be ‘place’. But in the dialogue, they seem to be used intechangeably. Is Murakami looking for a ‘room’ or a ‘place’? In my experience, a ‘room’ is only part of a ‘place’. An ‘apartment’/apaato would contain several ‘rooms’.

She’d only be looking for a ‘room’ if she was moving in with some other people.

So what exactly is a room, a place and an apartment? I’m looking for definitions of the definitions, if you know what I mean.

]]> by: John C. Briggs http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-32650 Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:32:30 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-32650 Well that was a tough one today. I am not sure it I got it all. In the kanji we have 手入れされてる but in the hiragana we have ていれれされてる I think there is an extra "れ" in there. In the translation we have, Yeah, but you'll get used to it quick. Shouldn't that be "quickly" I assume that there is no Romaji translation because we are supposed to be able to read hiragana at this level. But if that is the case, why are the example sentences shown in Romaji and not hiragana. Keep up the good work. Your one year anniversary is just about here. ジョン Well that was a tough one today. I am not sure it I got it all.

In the kanji we have
手入れされてる
but in the hiragana we have
ていれれされてる
I think there is an extra “れ” in there.

In the translation we have,
Yeah, but you’ll get used to it quick.
Shouldn’t that be “quickly”

I assume that there is no Romaji translation because we are supposed to be able to read hiragana at this level. But if that is the case, why are the example sentences shown in Romaji and not hiragana.

Keep up the good work. Your one year anniversary is just about here.
ジョン

]]> by: Peter http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31843 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:39:57 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31843 Stan-san, I would love to visit 温かいFlorida! :grin: 今日本は寒いですよ〜。Plus I want to see some of these flying Palmetto bugs!:shock: Stan-san, I would love to visit 温かいFlorida! :grin: 今日本は寒いですよ〜。Plus I want to see some of these flying Palmetto bugs! :shock:

]]> by: Stan http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31420 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:27:24 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31420 Peter-san You need to visit Florida. There are a lot of flying cockroaches. We call them Palmetto bugs. Stan Peter-san

You need to visit Florida. There are a lot of flying cockroaches. We call them Palmetto bugs.

Stan

]]> by: JapanesePod101.com http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31321 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:47:57 +0000 http://www.japanesepod101.com/2006/12/15/intermediate-lesson-39-my-tokyo-traveblogue-day-4/#comment-31321 Mina-san, Apologies to those of you expecting this week's edition of iLove! Unfortunately, we ran into some complications and will be bringing you iLove VIII next weekend! This weekend, tune in for Day 4 of Agnes Murakami's adventures in Tokyo! Yoroshiku onegai shimasu! Mina-san,

Apologies to those of you expecting this week’s edition of iLove! Unfortunately, we ran into some complications and will be bringing you iLove VIII next weekend! This weekend, tune in for Day 4 of Agnes Murakami’s adventures in Tokyo!

Yoroshiku onegai shimasu!

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