also I grew up in the hood and I know we spoke pretty informal most of the time no matter who we were talking to, teachers, preachers, neighbors, someones mother we had bad mouths at times and, at very young ages. we would even tell teachers to “F#$@ Off” or call them awful names if they made us mad
but, my first lesson from my japanese teacher in highschool was, “the way you kids talk to people here will not fly in Japan” and she then shared some new articles about fights that happened in japan over how someone spoke to someone else. so please pay attention people.

また、あした。

Right now I’m listening to Brothers Brothers 2 where 先生たちare explaining this sentence pattern.

て-form of what? です？

Yeah. The のだ construction is just の＋[copula], and the て-form of the copula is で. So ので is the て-form of のだ. It’s not a seperate construction. It’s just another form of the same thing. It has the same meaning. And yes, I’m still sure.

but I’m pretty sure you don’t use it after adjectives.

I’m honestly not that familiar with it’s use. I was mainly just trying to come up with a really formal example to illustrate ので. Grammar: 1. Jason: 0. T_T

Yes, I’m sure. It’s the て-form.

て-form of what? です？ Hmm…well, I’ll have to take your word on this. But in the words of Ronald Reagan, I will “trust, but verify.”

No, you’re not mistaken. It was just incomplete. Actually mine is too since I didn’t point out it can also be used for explanatory yet not so strongly causitive sentences. So put them both together, and there ya go.

There you go, indeed. Teamwork!

I know I’ve heard this ですので construction in very formal Japanese before. I don’t remember if I’ve heard it as (adj + ですので), though. So I don’t know.

Oh, I have no doubt about ですので, as I have used it myself, but I’m pretty sure you don’t use it after adjectives. In the case of i-adjectives, like your example, 忙しい, it would be 忙しいので、 and in the case of a na-adjective, it would be, e.g. きれいなので。 Maybe なっちゃん or さくらちゃん or たかせさん can weigh in if I’m off here.

Are you saying that ので is a variant of のです？ If so, are you sure?

Yes, I’m sure. It’s the て-form.

I still think my explanation that んだ and のです are used to mark explanatory sentences (not necessarily causitive) works. Am I mistaken?

No, you’re not mistaken. It was just incomplete. Actually mine is too since I didn’t point out it can also be used for explanatory yet not so strongly causitive sentences. So put them both together, and there ya go.

My wife says this (adjective + です + ので) does not sound natural. Maybe you meant to use an example other than an adjective?

I know I’ve heard this ですので construction in very formal Japanese before. I don’t remember if I’ve heard it as (adj + ですので), though. So I don’t know.

The correct Southern pronounciation of “emporer” is “the big cheese.”

That’s funny! I see y’all can’t spell it either.

Are you saying that ので is a variant of のです？ If so, are you sure? I’m pretty sure they are separate (but similar) grammar structures. I still think my explanation that んだ and のです are used to mark explanatory sentences (not necessarily causitive) works. Am I mistaken?

社長はただいま忙しい「です」ので、少々お待ちください。

My wife says this (adjective + です + ので) does not sound natural. Maybe you meant to use an example other than an adjective?

In fact, as I live in south Lancashire, I think there will be a few natives here that would claim Nova Scotia is way more exciting than aywhere in Yorkshire (War of the Roses still going on..) . Just as well I am a a foreigner..

I’d like to go to Nova Scotia one day. I believe Halifax houses an interesting museum on the Titanic, whose captain lived only a few miles from where I live…

that’s Empra for you in the South!

The correct Southern pronounciation of “emporer” is “the big cheese.”

Maxさん、

のだ and it’s variants all literally mean “It is that [stuff that comes before のだ].” While it can stand by itself to mean “because” it’s not uncommon to hear it get used with から too, epescially in informal speech.

Ex) ったくもう！お前は下手なんだから！

Note that while んだ is very informal (and on the masculine side), のです and ので are quite formal. They usually give the impression that the speaker is somewhat detatched or emotionally removed from what the reason they’re giving. Here’s a very formal example:

社長はただいま忙しい「です」ので、少々お待ちください。

*This extra です in [] would make it even more formal.

のに means along the lines as “even though.” It often carries the nuance that the speaker was expecting or wanting what comes before のに to happen and they were let down or disappointed because it didn’t happen.

アイスを食べたかったのに、お前はもう全部食べちゃったのか？

あいつは手伝うと言ってたのに。

やめた方がいいのに、あいつらまだ無駄な事を続けた。

Note that the first 2 sentences have a very personal and emotional attachment to のに, but the 3rd one really doesn’t even though it still expresses some regret that they kept doing pointless stuff.

Plus, it will be about 30-40 years before this young prince might ever be Emperor (that’s Empra for you in the South! ). Plus, is Japan an empire? Might it not be time to retire this royalty business?

Another group of ppl would also be happy as the maternity and baby industry will go into a boom. it is said that the birth of the young prince would encourage more japanese to get married and give birth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5316266.stm

The discussion of ‘na’ versus ‘na’ was also interesting, because the first time I came across ‘na’, I thought it was the normal male sentence ending, but knew from the context that the sentence was a prohibition.

I’m glad for princess Kiko