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It’s time to feel good about your Japanese! Today we bring together Monday’s and Tuesday’s lessons and introduce our longest dialogue to date! This, that, sushi, sashimi, this lesson has it all! For those of you ituning in the past 2 two days, you don’t want to miss this one. For those of you just ituning in, be sure to listen to Monday’s and Tuesday’s lessons.

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This entry was posted on Wednesday, January 4th, 2006 at 6:30 pm and is filed under Beginner Season 1 . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

43 Responses to “Beginner Lesson #13 - This, That and That!?”

JapanesePod101.com says:

Dear Japanesepod101 team, I have been coming to Japan for 9 years and have visisted over 28 times on business. I just recently decided it was time to seriously learn the language to better interact with my customers. I started listening to your pod cast a few weeks ago and have only got up to this lesson. However, your pod casts are fantastic and I have learned so much in a very short time. My next trip is in June and I can’t wait to practice more on my business associates. Keep up the great work!!! You guys are great. Jack

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Ben says:

Hi, the Romaji side in your notes are in English. Maybe you like to correct it.

Cheers

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Sandor says:

Hi JapanesePod,

I was going though the transcript of Lesson 13. It looks like it doesn’t match the audio. In the paragraph on Sushi, there is a “totemo” which is not in the audio. Note that this is also “really” in the translation.

It’s not a big deal, but may be worth correcting.

Keep up the good work.

PS. As per Ben’s comment, the romanji is in fact the translation.

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luis says:

Ah i’ve been studying Japanese for a while now and it’s the first time I have come infront of this MONOSUGOI and also sugoi modifying another adjective..so sugoi meaning amazing..modifying another turns into..amazingly delicious or and monosugoku oishii into earth shatteringly delicious.. :wink: your site rules..the realm of learning and making it fun at the same time..DOUMO ARIGATOU GOZAIMASHITA

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polo says:

hi there,

and hi peter
watashi wa polo des
i really like the way u r doing this and i have 2questions

1- is it right to say ” anata wa sogoee des” or “anata tachi wa sogoee des” or in general hot to say “you are amazing”
and for example “he’s amazing”
( because you are amazing) lol
because i wanted to say that to you, you deserve it

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Hana says:

Can someone please explain the differences between are and sore please? I am still very confused about which one to use in a sentence. Arigatou Gozaimasu!

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John C. Briggs says:

Hanaさん,
I have heard this explained as follows.
kore something near the person speaking
sore something near the person listening
are something not near either the speaker or listener.
Hope that helps.
ジョン

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Dodo says:

Hey, the download for this isn’t working right now - it cuts out about thirty seconds in and skips to the next lesson.

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Daniel L says:

Hana,

Try this explanation:

kore = thing is within reach of the speaker
sore = thing is outside of reach of the speaker
are = thing is quite far from the speaker but within view, perhaps across the room or street

kore = this
sore = that
are = that over there

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eric says:

I’ve listened to the audio using both my computer and my ipod several times and I’ve noticed that Natsuko pronounced sugoi as SUNGOI and monosugoi as MONOSUNGOI. Is this in fact how they’re pronounced or is there just something wrong with my audio? Thanks in advance for your help.

eric

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maxiewawa says:

SUNGOI is actually すごい or sugoi. The ‘g’ sound is often pronounced back in the throat like that. It’s not spelt with an ‘n’ because nothing in Japanese is spelt with Roman letters actually… it “spells” like that to our ears (eyes?) but there’s just no way to spell sungoi in Japanese.

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JapanesePod101.com says:

i’m gonna add to what maxさん said here…

just like in all countries, there are regional pronunciations of words that are spelled the same. this happens to be one of those cases. sakura does it also.

in both their cases this is a very well pronounced tokyo accent! :kokoro:

m

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eric says:

Oh it’s Sakura, not Natsuko, sorry for the error. Thanks for the clarification. Maybe in such instances, the moderator can point out to the student to also take note of such differences in pronunciation. :dogeza:

eric

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sTeVe aUsTiN says:

Tokyo pronunciation is the standard. Why would they point out that someone is using the standard pronunciation? :roll:

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Paul says:

the g sound is interesting. I was using a Japanese grammar book with accompanying CDs to learn and one of the first words you get is “kagi”(key). The CD pronounces it “ka ngi” so I was doing the same till Japanese friends told started correcting me and telling me to say “ka gi”. Truth of the matter is I hear the latter more than I hear the former around here (I’m only 30km from Tokyo centre). Often in train stations I’ll hear the “ng” sound. For example, there’s a train that goes to a place called Koganei and you’ll hear the platform announcement go “ko nga nei”. When I brought this to the attention of my friends and students (I’m teaching English), some of them professed never to have noticed the two sounds while others were aware of them. It’s the same in all languages. How many people are aware that we actually say “dringk” and not “drink”?
As a pron feature I’d say it’s not that important. Much more important is the shortening of the “u” part of a Japanese syllable between voiceless consonants, as in the initial variation in the pronunciation of “suki”(like) by Sakura and Peter, who was effectively saying “sooki”. It might have been helpful to explain to listeners why you dropped your original pronunciation for Sakura’s (also notice the difference in her pronunciation of her own name and Peter’s pronunciation of it). Well done with your initiative. So far it’s been very enjoyable.

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Carmella says:

I’m confused with the words KORE and ARE. Does this two have the same meaning? I mean the meaning of these words… just the english word THAT? In the book practical japanese for filipinos by professor Mutsuhiko Miko, he there that the meaning of ARE is IT. So, please I want to have clarity with these words and its meaning.

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Carmella says:

oh, sorry It’s professor Mutsuhiko Miki

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JapanesePod101.com says:

carmellaさん、
for more information on これ、それ、あれ and どれ, you should check out this lesson:
http://www.japanesepod101.com/2007/04/23/newbie-lesson-20-whats-that/

these are called “ko-so-a-do kotoba” and are actually quite easy to learn, but they are critical to getting started with japanese!
also check Daniel Lさん’s explanation in this thread
oh, and the Grammar Bank, search under JLPT 4 and click on “kosoado kotoba”

Paulさん、
that /n/ sound before a /g/ sound was originally a regionalism, but it’s actually become part of NHK Japanese. so you’ll often hear it in news reports and official public announcements.

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Peter says:

Why is the Romaji of the kana for daisuki given as mishii?

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palmist81 says:

Mono sugoku??????????????????????????????:???:

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Desirae says:

Im having a problem getting the pdf file downloaded, it shows up blank…

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mayumi says:

Desirae-san,

If you don’t use the Adobe Reader version 8, could you download it, please? :dogeza:

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Desirae says:

ah that makes sense, thanks a lot :)

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Samuel says:

it appears that the premium dialog doesn’t match the lesson dialog? the premium dialog (dialog only) audio is about valentine’s day. seems more advanced than beginner #13

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Jessi says:

Samuelさん>
Thanks for pointing this out! We’ll fix it right away. :dogeza:

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Mayumi says:

Samuel-san,

We fixed the audio. Sorry for the trouble! :dogeza:

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linli says:

Hi, the lessons I downloaded are empty… as in there are 5 PDF pages when opened, but no content..

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Jessi says:

linliさん>
Hi, could you make sure you have the latest version of Adobe Reader? If the regular Lesson Notes still don’t work then try downloading Lesson Notes Lite. Let us know if you still need help after that!

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Ash says:

FYI - Lesson Notes PDF is corrupt on Mac using Preview as if the fonts are not embedded. OSX.

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tony says:

i ve love more vocabs to study in my own time
i think i understood the word yall saying but i got an important question
how can you tell which subject words to add and where does it go?
wat word does the middle of the dialog could be?
:cool:

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Greg says:

Wow im actually learning quite a bit of japanese. My brain feels like it is going to implode, but then again i have done quite a bit of lessons in less than a day. I notice i have little to no problem reading the romanji but when it comes to understanding what is being said in the audio my brain cant quite translate fast enough yet. However it is getting better i was only a little behind now so considering that japanese people speak like american auctioneers ( speak so fast makes ones head spin ) i have a quite a ways to go. Before each lesson i write down the vocab in a notebook so i can study when im not at my computer. I as well have a question. As i am currently in college and only dont my basics as a community college. I am transferring to a university after i complete my basics. Their i will minor in japanese and i was wondering is it is ok to show my professor this site so perhaps she or he will bring it up to the class for additional help. because im learning more from this than the two years of german i took.

Keep up the great work. Arigatou gozaimasu :cool:

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Pico says:

Hi, Peter さん:
:mrgreen:
Could I use
とてもおいしい?
And, is this one equal to すごいおいしい?

BR,
Thanks a lot.

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Jessi says:

Picoさん,
Yes, you can also say とてもおいしい :grin: すごい/すごく is a bit more informal in comparison.

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Pico says:

Hi, Jessi:
Thanks a lot.

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Mikeru says:

Hi JapanesePod,

I’ve been taking your lessons for two days now, and I feel like I have really improved. I really needed an easy and fast way to learn all I can, because I only half about 3/4 of a year to learn.
Your probably wondering why only that long. You see, I want to go to Japan as a student, so I surfed the net and found a website that has student exchange programs from my area, and inncidently, my friend’s relatives are a couple of the teachers with the program, so I got in.
The trip is eleven months away, but we also recieve a Japanese student a few months earlier.

Most students from other countries can already speak Japanese, but I think it would be extremely rude if I went to Japan and didn’t know the language.
Though, that’s not the only reason. I’m an anime fanatic. I’d like to call myself an Otaku, but I don’t have as much anime or collection items that I would like. Most of the anime that I watch, are the lesser known ones, such as Shugo Chara or Foundation Stellvia, so they aren’t in English. It’s a lot easier to keep up with the subtitles if I know most of the words.

Thank you for helping me with progress in my quest to learn Japanese.

Love,
Miki

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おう says:

これは寿司です。美味しいです。好きです。
それは何ですか。それは刺身です。凄く美味しいです。とても好きです。
あれは何ですか。あれは天ぷらです。物凄く美味しいです。大好きです。

また明日ね。

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Kivrin says:

I had a thought while listening to this lesson. Can you use それ and あれ relatively? Like if you were pointing out 2 objects and one was just slightly farther away than the other, could you say “それとあれ” like:
それとあれが好きです。
“I like that one and that one.”
Or is that weird? それとそれ sounds too repetitive to me. ^^;;;

ありがとうございます。

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これそれ says:

The lesson said that 凄い and 美味しい can be used together to get 凄い美味しい. Since 凄い is an い adjective, why isn’t it 凄くて美味しい?

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Jessi says:

Kivrinさん,
It may sound repetitive, but it is no problem to say それとそれください :)

これそれさん,
Good question! In the example of すごいおいしい in this lesson, the すごい is being used as an adverb (describing おいしい), and not an adjective. That difference will be kind of important.

I think something that may be confusing is that when i-adjectives become adverbs, the final -i changes to -ku, so technically, the above example should be すごくおいしい (this is grammatically correct). However, you will hear すごく said as すごい very often, so phrases like すごいおいしい and すごいあつい are really common.

I hope that helps!!

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Erlend says:

I recently just found this site, and i have to say its really amazing. I’m learning a lot of new stuff. And i love the podcasts. One thing i found kind of confusing with in this dialogue was that, after you asked if she thought it was delicious, you asked if she liked it? Is that normal :P ? sorry if i misunderstood.
Cheers

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Motoko says:

Erland-san,
Thank you for joining us :grin:
Good question. I think that depending on people.
Some people say that it’s delicious but they don’t like it, maybe because it’s too oily or too sweet to eat for them.
So it would happen that people first talk about general idea about it and ask personal taste.(Is this only among Japanese?)
I hope this helps :wink:

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Morgen says:

I’m fairly new to this site, and i’m really impressed. It’s never been so easy to learn a language. I’ve been in French for two years and I’m learning Japanese so much faster!

One question I have for this lesson;
what is the “nan” word? What does it mean? I heard them say it was a form of another word.
“Kore wa nan desu ka?”

Arigato gozaimasu :mrgreen:

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Motoko says:

Morgen-san,
Kon’nichiwa! Welcome to JapanesePod101!
Nan means “what” in English.
That phrase means “Kore(this) wa nan(what)desu ka(question marker)”
If you’ve started Japanese, Absolute Beginner series would be good for the first step.
Some lessons are difficult in Beginner Season1-3, I recommend using Newbie Season2-5, then Beginner Season4 to 5, after Absolute Beginner series.
I hope thsi helps :grin:

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